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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://unrepentantoldhippie.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/we-got-trouble/#comment-2526</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case my comments get disappeared like &#039;alpha male&#039;s did...

&quot;&quot;That&#039;s not the basis on which the SCOC will strike down the law.&quot;

Actually, that is precisely the basis because that is the basis of the case that is being argued by the very religious, Christian sect leader that is being charged. That the polygamy law violates his freedom to exercise his religion is EXACTLY his defense.

You are simply wrong, Suzanne. As usual.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case my comments get disappeared like &#8216;alpha male&#8217;s did&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;That&#8217;s not the basis on which the SCOC will strike down the law.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, that is precisely the basis because that is the basis of the case that is being argued by the very religious, Christian sect leader that is being charged. That the polygamy law violates his freedom to exercise his religion is EXACTLY his defense.</p>
<p>You are simply wrong, Suzanne. As usual.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://unrepentantoldhippie.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/we-got-trouble/#comment-2525</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually, Mike, I don’t think they can. None of the wives have ever been under the legal age of consent — all of them were consenting adults in the eyes of the law&quot;

Well, I&#039;m merely going on the allegations that have surfaced in programs such as W5 and The Fifth Estate, which did involve underage girls being married off.

If the case at hand does not involve underage girls and is, in fact legal, consenting adults, then I really don&#039;t see the problem.

As for SUZANNE, I left a snarky comment over at her place bemusing the irony of this getting struck down by the freedom of religion clause and she, in her infinite legal wisdom, seems to think that it won&#039;t get struck down because of that... I&#039;m not sure what she thinks will happen, because she is, of course, slack-jawed insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, Mike, I don’t think they can. None of the wives have ever been under the legal age of consent — all of them were consenting adults in the eyes of the law&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m merely going on the allegations that have surfaced in programs such as W5 and The Fifth Estate, which did involve underage girls being married off.</p>
<p>If the case at hand does not involve underage girls and is, in fact legal, consenting adults, then I really don&#8217;t see the problem.</p>
<p>As for SUZANNE, I left a snarky comment over at her place bemusing the irony of this getting struck down by the freedom of religion clause and she, in her infinite legal wisdom, seems to think that it won&#8217;t get struck down because of that&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure what she thinks will happen, because she is, of course, slack-jawed insane.</p>
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		<title>By: fincenMIB</title>
		<link>http://unrepentantoldhippie.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/we-got-trouble/#comment-2490</link>
		<dc:creator>fincenMIB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new arguement is polygamy for gay unions 7 guys and 4 women, 3 of which have multiple partners, but which ones?  Winston has 108 children and as long as Canadians don&#039;t find supporting them, why wouldn&#039;t the FLDS migrate to Canada?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new arguement is polygamy for gay unions 7 guys and 4 women, 3 of which have multiple partners, but which ones?  Winston has 108 children and as long as Canadians don&#8217;t find supporting them, why wouldn&#8217;t the FLDS migrate to Canada?</p>
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		<title>By: fincenMIB</title>
		<link>http://unrepentantoldhippie.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/we-got-trouble/#comment-2489</link>
		<dc:creator>fincenMIB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well whatever Winston is doing, Canadians paid for it!  Many of his original 26 wives were American, yet Canada absorbed them and paid for their private school education and more! With the crack down on the FLDS in Texas with 9 indictments and 3 more trials for Warren Jeffs, Canada is the logical replacement for Texas. Enjoy them, we didn&#039;t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well whatever Winston is doing, Canadians paid for it!  Many of his original 26 wives were American, yet Canada absorbed them and paid for their private school education and more! With the crack down on the FLDS in Texas with 9 indictments and 3 more trials for Warren Jeffs, Canada is the logical replacement for Texas. Enjoy them, we didn&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Prole</title>
		<link>http://unrepentantoldhippie.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/we-got-trouble/#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Prole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ, well they have pretty rudimentary education and all they do is have babies and sew their own clothes.  I suppose they could be living an agrarian life, mostly providing for themselves that way if that&#039;s even possible.  I dunno.  On the other hand, in the States they actively try to drain the government of as much money as possible - they actually see it as their duty.  Yanno, to screw us evil types who live off the compound.  I can&#039;t see as to how they&#039;d have a different philosophy in Bountiful.   

IANAL, but I think Oppal is making a big mistake with the polygamy charges.  Why not go after them for, say, trafficking in illegal immigrants?  It&#039;s widely known that they illegally bring girls up from the US to get married.  Or child abuse charges?  Something like that.  The polygamy thing is just going to open a big ugly can of worms.  

Funny thing.  There&#039;s an election in May.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, well they have pretty rudimentary education and all they do is have babies and sew their own clothes.  I suppose they could be living an agrarian life, mostly providing for themselves that way if that&#8217;s even possible.  I dunno.  On the other hand, in the States they actively try to drain the government of as much money as possible &#8211; they actually see it as their duty.  Yanno, to screw us evil types who live off the compound.  I can&#8217;t see as to how they&#8217;d have a different philosophy in Bountiful.   </p>
<p>IANAL, but I think Oppal is making a big mistake with the polygamy charges.  Why not go after them for, say, trafficking in illegal immigrants?  It&#8217;s widely known that they illegally bring girls up from the US to get married.  Or child abuse charges?  Something like that.  The polygamy thing is just going to open a big ugly can of worms.  </p>
<p>Funny thing.  There&#8217;s an election in May.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Prole - Considering that the town is under 500 people, and over 100 of them are Blackmore &amp; his wives &amp; kids, it makes me wonder how they survive.  They run a lumber mill or something like that, so I guess that&#039;s where everyone&#039;s working.  Still, I find it hard to believe this little mill could generate enough for so many people to live on -- I know people around here that run small mills, and they&#039;re barely getting by.  

More power to them if they&#039;re not on the public tit, but it&#039;s hard to figure out how they&#039;re making it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Prole &#8211; Considering that the town is under 500 people, and over 100 of them are Blackmore &amp; his wives &amp; kids, it makes me wonder how they survive.  They run a lumber mill or something like that, so I guess that&#8217;s where everyone&#8217;s working.  Still, I find it hard to believe this little mill could generate enough for so many people to live on &#8212; I know people around here that run small mills, and they&#8217;re barely getting by.  </p>
<p>More power to them if they&#8217;re not on the public tit, but it&#8217;s hard to figure out how they&#8217;re making it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Prole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Prole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I looked, and Blackmore insists that no welfare goes to any members of his breeding farm.  My mistake.  It&#039;s the States where they&#039;re big on &quot;bleeding the beast&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I looked, and Blackmore insists that no welfare goes to any members of his breeding farm.  My mistake.  It&#8217;s the States where they&#8217;re big on &#8220;bleeding the beast&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Prole</title>
		<link>http://unrepentantoldhippie.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/we-got-trouble/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Prole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t give a shit what those whackos in Bountiful do (obviously as long as they&#039;re not raping kids).  However.  I don&#039;t think the province should be on the hook to pay for their breeding farm.  If the polygamy law is struck down, then all those celestial wives should have to become legal wives, and claim Mr. Blackmore&#039;s (or whoever the baby daddy is) salary as their support.  No more welfare.  If you can&#039;t afford 150 kids, don&#039;t have them. 

They should also pay some higher tax of some kind to make up for the cost to society when they boot their young men onto the street because there aren&#039;t enough uterus&#039; to go around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t give a shit what those whackos in Bountiful do (obviously as long as they&#8217;re not raping kids).  However.  I don&#8217;t think the province should be on the hook to pay for their breeding farm.  If the polygamy law is struck down, then all those celestial wives should have to become legal wives, and claim Mr. Blackmore&#8217;s (or whoever the baby daddy is) salary as their support.  No more welfare.  If you can&#8217;t afford 150 kids, don&#8217;t have them. </p>
<p>They should also pay some higher tax of some kind to make up for the cost to society when they boot their young men onto the street because there aren&#8217;t enough uterus&#8217; to go around.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chimera - I&#039;m not that familiar with the legal aspects of this case, but anyone who&#039;s lived in BC for any length of time knows Bountiful has been the way it is since it was founded 60-odd years ago.  Polygamy and weird religious wingnuttery, and mostly it&#039;s just ignored.  

I think the source of a lot of this aggravation is a Hatfield-McCoy situation within Bountiful itself, where 2 warring factions have got everyone divided and ratting out on everyone else.  There could be something to the reports of abuse -- that Warren Jeffs dude (currently serving time for accessory to rape) was their prophet/head honcho/whatever for awhile, and a regular visitor.  Blackmore was his competition. 

The polygamy charge is just a way to remove Blackmore from the equation, get in and do a real investigation of the place, IMO.  As long as Blackmore is around and exerting whatever influence he has there, people are unlikely to come forward and confirm all the reports of abuse.

If the polygamy law is struck down, so what?  Nobody who isn&#039;t already interested in being polygamous is suddenly going to decide it sounds like a good idea.  It seems people will never learn that laws against personal choice don&#039;t stop anyone from doing what they&#039;re determined to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chimera &#8211; I&#8217;m not that familiar with the legal aspects of this case, but anyone who&#8217;s lived in BC for any length of time knows Bountiful has been the way it is since it was founded 60-odd years ago.  Polygamy and weird religious wingnuttery, and mostly it&#8217;s just ignored.  </p>
<p>I think the source of a lot of this aggravation is a Hatfield-McCoy situation within Bountiful itself, where 2 warring factions have got everyone divided and ratting out on everyone else.  There could be something to the reports of abuse &#8212; that Warren Jeffs dude (currently serving time for accessory to rape) was their prophet/head honcho/whatever for awhile, and a regular visitor.  Blackmore was his competition. </p>
<p>The polygamy charge is just a way to remove Blackmore from the equation, get in and do a real investigation of the place, IMO.  As long as Blackmore is around and exerting whatever influence he has there, people are unlikely to come forward and confirm all the reports of abuse.</p>
<p>If the polygamy law is struck down, so what?  Nobody who isn&#8217;t already interested in being polygamous is suddenly going to decide it sounds like a good idea.  It seems people will never learn that laws against personal choice don&#8217;t stop anyone from doing what they&#8217;re determined to do.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deBeauxOs - To be fair, the shriek I cited in my post wasn&#039;t SUZANNE&#039;s own, but something she was quoting from some other incoherent fruitbag.

I don&#039;t know what they&#039;re complaining about, the defendant in this polygamy case has something like 120 kids.  I thought that was what they wanted.  It wouldn&#039;t surprise me if a lot of them were secretly supportive of the ends if not the means, and are only bitching about it because they hate anything that compromises their self-imposed ownership of the marriage brand.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;we’re so very lucky that jj and LuLu persevere, reading her odious screeds so that we don’t have to do it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You &quot;have&quot; no &quot;idea&quot; how &quot;hard&quot; it is to &quot;read sentences&quot; that &quot;look&quot; like &quot;this&quot; all the &quot;time&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deBeauxOs &#8211; To be fair, the shriek I cited in my post wasn&#8217;t SUZANNE&#8217;s own, but something she was quoting from some other incoherent fruitbag.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re complaining about, the defendant in this polygamy case has something like 120 kids.  I thought that was what they wanted.  It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if a lot of them were secretly supportive of the ends if not the means, and are only bitching about it because they hate anything that compromises their self-imposed ownership of the marriage brand.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;we’re so very lucky that jj and LuLu persevere, reading her odious screeds so that we don’t have to do it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You &#8220;have&#8221; no &#8220;idea&#8221; how &#8220;hard&#8221; it is to &#8220;read sentences&#8221; that &#8220;look&#8221; like &#8220;this&#8221; all the &#8220;time&#8221;.</p>
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