Obama’s Evil Plan to Kill Old People

You know — like Hitler!

The GOP and health care reform, where batshit and bugshit collide:

Oy vey.  It would be funny if there weren’t so many ignorant, ill-informed conservative types out there who actually believe this shit.

29 Responses to “Obama’s Evil Plan to Kill Old People”


  1. 1 Mike Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 1:55 am

    They know its not true, they are shilling for the U insurance industry which benefits greatly from the current US state enforced cartel.

    Its not free market down there – you can’t buy out of state insurance, for instance and is there a not-for-profit insurance cooperative? Nope. Its a collection of laws an d regulations that help the big insurance companies in business by protecting them from real competition and new entrants into the market, while either forcing or strongly incenting companies to give employees health insurance.

    In the end, it just creates profits for them and they will buy any politician or whip any kind of irrational fear based on lies in order to maintain their privileged position.

    I know its not popular but I think getting the government out of health care will make our system better – end the silly rules on who can practice medicine, allow more doctors and technologists in and encourage not-for-profit alternatives – but even I recognize that the US system is still far worse than ours.

  2. 2 Angela West Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 6:51 am

    Best clip ever. I also like that the mainstream media is starting to call bullshit down there.

  3. 3 brebis noire Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Getting government out is not the answer. The thing is, at the end of it all, it’s about people getting paid to do their jobs and to do it as well as they can, in the best possible conditions. Whoever is in charge has to be competent and trustworthy, which means they have to have a fair agenda and not be overworked. In Canada, health care expertise has traditionally been developed through government channels, with tax money and civil servants. I don’t think it’s such a great answer to overhaul it all and turn it over to — who, exactly?
    Personally, I like to see my tax money at work with all the checks and balances a government system can offer. I think it should be reformed, not scrapped. At least governments, in theory and in practice when under pressure, HAVE to serve the whole population, and not just certain privileged segments.

  4. 4 hemmingforddogblog Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 9:23 am

    “…end the silly rules on who can practice medicine,…”

    Which rules are these?

    If it’s a choice between a large corporation and the government running the health care system, I would go with the government.
    Can you say, “Pre-existing condition?” Corporations can, and do. No Insurance for you!

  5. 5 mouthyorange Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 9:34 am

    Mike, what are the restrictions about who can practice medicine that bug you? How would you like to see it open up more?

  6. 6 mouthyorange Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 9:50 am

    This isn’t directly related to my question to Mike, but brebis and SQ, I’m with you about preferring that government rather than private interests run it. But how to keep the groups such as western medical doctors whose perspective on health care has been shaped by many other factors besides or as well as science, and pharmaceutical companies whose reason for being is profit, from overly influencing the way government regulates, funds, and insures health care?

  7. 7 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Mike – The problem in the US is that there’s so much money in the insurance industry, and like what happened with the mortgage situation, greed has made it extremely crooked and profit-motivated.

    I am normally opposed to government intervention in just about anything, and maybe I’m being too emotional & not rational enough wrt this issue, but the thought of laissez-faire capitalist health care scares the shit out of me. (And I generally like capitalism and entrepreneurialism.)

    Primarily because the profit motive almost always means cutting corners somewhere, and since you can’t cut corners on the cost of technology, there’s only 2 places to do it: the quality of patient care, or allowable claims. I find it terrifying that big insurance companies in the US employ people full time to figure out how to screw the insured out of their coverage.

    I think you make good points in terms of improvements that could be made with not-for-profit co-ops etc., and no doubt our system, better than that of the US though it is, would be better off with such improvements. The question is whether they’re workable or even possible — my short stint in the private insurance business was absolutely terrifying with what I discovered about how profit-oriented these things are, and how little they actually want to do for their clients. (They remind me of an HA who once told me “I’m in the Money Business”, meaning he’d do whatever it took.)

  8. 8 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 10:17 am

    Angela – If they don’t get this thing done by the weekend, they’ll have to call bullshit a lot louder. There’s a million $ anti-reform campaign about to start as soon as the house recesses.

  9. 9 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 10:19 am

    brebis – Ironically, the system Obama is proposing, which is more of a hybrid public/private system, is probably better than ours. I think France has such a system, and they’re one of the top countries for quality of healthcare IIRC.

  10. 10 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 10:38 am

    SQ – I don’t know about Mike, but I can see how a hybrid system might be an improvement.

    I know a lot of people don’t agree with that because they think it creates “two-tier” healthcare, but as long as everyone has basic healthcare I don’t have a problem with clinics that do MRIs etc if you want them faster than our healthcare system can provide them. (Realizing of course that our system does a good job of getting the serious cases looked after first.)

    It would also take the pressure off the public system.

    The problem is that it could be used as a wedge for private insurers and their pimps to start taking apart the public system.

  11. 11 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 10:41 am

    orange

    how to keep the groups such as western medical doctors whose perspective on health care has been shaped by many other factors besides or as well as science, and pharmaceutical companies whose reason for being is profit, from overly influencing the way government regulates, funds, and insures health care?

    Interesting. What do you mean by “shaped by other factors”? Do you mean holistic & all that?

  12. 12 mouthyorange Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 11:09 am

    JJ – I was probably too cryptic in the way I put that, because I know enough about you and your scope to know that you are aware of the kind of factors I’m talking about.

    No, I wasn’t talking about holistic influence. If only it were true that western medicine was shaped by a holistic approach! The opposite is the case. Western medicine has driven into illegality, disrepute, and marginality, holistic approaches to health care such as midwifery, homeopathy, osteopathy, and many others. So what I was referring to was that western medicine’s approach to health care is not just based on science; it is also based on assumptions and beliefs taken to the point of prejudice, on trying to protect their own territory, on themselves being overly influenced by pharmaceutical companies’ propaganda, to name a few of these factors. Now I’ve been clearer about what I meant. I am sure you will be able to come up with other factors, too.

    I don’t mean that I think everything about western medicine is bad. After all, it probably saved your life! My issue is with what it leaves out, and how it doesn’t examine its own assumptions — even denies that it has any.

  13. 13 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Ahhh… good point. It all depends on the doctor, though. I told my doctor I was going to a chiropractor about lower back pain rather than take painkillers, and I said “I know you guys hate chiropractors, but this really seems to work for me”. And he was totally cool with it, he said: “Good, whatever works.”

    But that’s about as far as I believe in chiropractic, for cracking bones back in place.

  14. 14 mouthyorange Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Yep! Quite a few medical doctors are more open-minded these days, which is terrific.

    And no need to “believe” in anything. My chiropractor keeps me going, and my dog’s chiropractor keeps him going. Keeps us off drugs and out of the hospital! I’m interested in the various theories why it helps us so much, but I don’t really care what the reason is. “Believing” in stuff is part of the problem — in my view, whether it’s mainstream or non-mainstream health care! (Or religion, for that matter.) I agree with your doctor. Whatever works. Besides, that attitude shows a confidence in empirical evidence — which is a very scientific position to take.

    I may come back to this. Gotta rush out the door right now.

  15. 15 martin Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    What must these officials think of us in Britain, the vast majority of Brits dont have private healthcare and commit themselves to the mercy of a government which would, according to conservative Americans, decide when they die.

    The idea that the only superpower forces its citizens to flash an insurance card before they get treatment is the most twisted form of capitalism there is.

    There is the half of the U.S which one admires and respects, the more European, liberal part. Then there is the backwards, neocon Christian part which ruins everything.

    Obama 2012!

  16. 16 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    orange – Whoops! I should have used some other word than “believe” :lol: that was a mistake

  17. 17 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Martin – I think the GOP officials who are spreading this BS are well aware of how our healthcare systems work, especially Canada’s. That’s why they’re in such a panic to spread this propaganda. If there were that many real problems with Canada’s system, there’d be no need to make a commercial using someone who’s lying about it — they’d have their pick of any number of disgruntled Canadians who’ve had bad healthcare experiences and would be more than willing to step up and talk about it. Funny how that hasn’t happened.

    Their system isn’t just broken, it’s sick. Nobody should have to be without healthcare, it’s inhumane.

  18. 18 Hoss Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    They would have been better to do like one video blogger did: just get a camera and go to Canada and experience it for themselves. No bs. Just experience it and record that experience:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw 175k views so far.

    Americans would never tolerate healthcare like that I’m sure.

  19. 19 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Sorry dude, you can post all the BS propaganda videos you want.

    I’m a Canadian, I’ve had cancer, I know how the system works, and it does work. If I was American, I’d either be dead, or bankrupt and living in a tent.

    The choice for me is clear.

  20. 20 Frank Frink Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    Don’t you just love these guys like Hoss and the insurance lobbyists etc… with all their focus on Canada because…

    1) all factual and scientific evidence and all health indicators clearly positions Canadian healthcare (ranked within the top ten internationally) as superior to that in the USA (ranked 37th internationally). There is no argument.

    and

    2) The reform that is being proposed in the Excited Snakes of A Merry Cow isn’t the Canadian healthcare system or even remotely like it.

    Now run along Hoss. I hear Pa and Little Joe calling you back to the ole Pondering Rosa.

  21. 21 Raphael Alexander Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Anyone who appears with Alex Jones get a credibility score of zero immediately.

  22. 22 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    FF – I’ve been getting a few of these clowns lately — they appear to be in panic mode.

    They must hate it when they run across people like me. The thing is, there’s not much they can say to someone who’s had cancer, been through the system and knows for a fact that it works. I mean, what can they say? It just stops their arguments so fucking dead. :lol:

  23. 23 JJ Wednesday, July 29, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    RA – Seriously! What is this guy even doing on Jones’ show?? This is what’s left of the GOP, a bunch of paranoid, brain-damaged teabaggers and birthers (and now there’s even “deathers” — the ones who think Obama’s health care plan is a secret plot to kill old white people).

  24. 24 Argh! Thursday, June 10, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Truthfully, I would have supported a bill stating such radical change – the old are an unnecessary burden upon society – they’ve sent us to unjust wars, continually vote for the SH*T head politicians that bring our country down the tubes, are backward & stubborn as SH*T, count out $100 dollars in pennies with full knowlege that there is a long line of people waiting to check out behind them, and will soon be a huge financial burden upon our country as a result of a failed F*cking “pay as you go” social security system that their stupid A$ses came up with. let ‘em reach 70, then give ‘em the axe – send them HOME like in the movie soylent green. When I’m their age, I don’t want to be anybody’s goddamn burden – these pompus a$ses feel a real sense of entitlement. F*ck ‘em.

  25. 25 Argh! Thursday, June 10, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    (posted the aforementioned as a rant – g-ma is in town, I’m frustrated as all hell w/ her & can’t openly express my frustrations in front of the family. if you managed to read it, take it w/ a grain of salt. thx for listening to me vent – I feel much better now.)

  26. 26 JJ Thursday, June 10, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    :shock: Yikes! :shock:
    G-ma’s not staying at your place, I hope?

  27. 27 Reality.Bites Thursday, June 10, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    And of course old people also do backwards stuff like resurrecting a thread nearly a year after anyone posted in it.

  28. 28 JJ Friday, June 11, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    :lol: A sure sign of pre-senile dementia.

  29. 29 Carol Cross Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Obama’s Health Care Plan that introduces routine DNR consultation between Doctor and patient might stop the SECRET DNR’s that are now put into the hospital and nursing home charts without the informed consent of the patient or the surrogate.

    The Cancer Centers, etc.. sell hope in the form of “palliative” care to elderly patients who are deemed “terminal” because of the cancer and the co-morbidity of age and other underlying illnesses. However, when the elderly patients cost too much in terms of side affects of the radiation and chemo,etc. rhey are often DNR’d and receive no intervening life-saving procedures in order to cap the costs of treatment. Hospitals and physicians who don’t cooperate in rendering this special “standard of care” for elderly cancer patients are punished by the Insurance Companies and government.

    The Bio-ethicists see the need for a standardized and portable DNR that, of course, requires the consent of the patient and that can be rescinded if the patient changes his/her mind. At least this would make it harder to place secret DNRs in hospital charts. Nost patients think of CPR as resuscitation after they have stopped breathing but a DNR can stop resuscitation for any number of intervening procedures that could stop the death of the patient and keep the elderly patient breathing and not in need of CPR.

    When Push comes to Shove where money and profits are concerned, the old folks have to be expeditiously shoved into eternity — sooner rather than later!


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