Ebay auction for Roeder – how to stop it

It’s still unclear whether Ebay will allow the fundraiser for Scott Roeder (for terrorists, by terrorists) to go ahead.   However, their statement said that EBay “does not allow listings that promote or glorify violence, hate, racial or religious intolerance, or items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity,” so it’s not looking good for the vicious, spittle-flecked mental defectives proposing to run this thing.  Especially since the Tiller family’s lawyer will petition for any funds raised to be redirected to Victims’ Services, as per the “Son of Sam Law“.

But it wouldn’t hurt to let Ebay feel a little of your righteous wrath until they issue a more definitive statement.  In case you missed the link in my previous post, via Roeder Watch, here’s how you can tell Ebay how you feel about terrorists raising funds on their site:

Email:  ebayinc@ebay.com  and  press@ebay.com

Phone:  1-800-322-9266 and 1-888-749-3229  (7:30 AM to 5:30 PM, Pacific time, Monday through Friday)

Every little bit, eh?

UPDATE: Victory.  (h/t JAB)

27 Responses to “Ebay auction for Roeder – how to stop it”


  1. 1 fern hill Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Done. And will blog too.

    Thanks, JJ.

  2. 2 Blackcapped Chickadee Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Thanks for the heads-up on this. I’ve written eBay to express my displeasure and inform them of my intention to close my account and urge every woman I know to do the same, should they decide to let this disgraceful idea come to fruition.

  3. 3 Shade Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    I’m going to make a prediction Ebay will say no to their Auction, they will then release a statement calling Ebay “Satanic” and part of the “Homosexual and pro-abotion agenda”.

    Then likely reference some of the more adult or “sinful” things you can buy on Ebay instead of their “wholesome” auction.

    That being said, I almost want to let them just because I’m sure Tiller’s case would go through. But it’s still against Ebay’s policies, so I’ll write an e-mail after work.

  4. 4 Jasper Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    I wouldn’t kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn’t want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?

    Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don’t believe in shooting abortionists, then don’t shoot one.

  5. 5 Shade Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Jasper, Jasper, Jasper. You’re trying to compare a fetus to a person again. A person is very much alive, no scientific debate on that end.

    A fetus however is not during the early stages when an abortion is done. So shooting an abortionist is different to having a cluster of cells removed.

  6. 6 Jasper Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Silly Shade,

    You have to edjucate yourself about human life, the baby’s heart starting beating at 29 days…

  7. 7 Shade Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Oh and forgot to add, the Abortionist isn’t in anyones womb either, unless they were invited of course.

  8. 8 Reality Bites Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    I’m going to do my bit and leave ebay alone. They didn’t ask for this, they haven’t given any indication they’d allow this (still-hypothetical) auction. Why should they have to spend time and money dealing with a situation not of their making in which they’re blameless?

    Obviously if ebay did allow the auctions then by all means let’s bankrupt them, but I don’t see the point in pressuring someone to do something they’re going to do anyway.

  9. 9 JJ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Jasper – Glad to see you’re showing your true colours. The last person who posted that comment here, almost verbatim, was The “Rev” Donald Spitz of the Army of God.

    “Don’t believe in shooting babykilling abortionists? Then don’t shoot one.”

    It’s an utterly stupid, vapid and ridiculous statement, since murder is a crime and abortion is a constitutionally protected right.

    But nice to see you finally “come out”.

  10. 10 Jasper Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    ” A person is very much alive, no scientific debate on that end.”

    Thats true, so is a unborn person, no scientific debate on that end as well.

  11. 11 Reality Bites Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    I’ve never understood the point of preaching – poorly – to those who’ll never agree with you. Jasper can’t possibly be so deluded as to think he’s actually persuading people. Clearly it’s just that he takes pleasure in harassing pro-choice people.

  12. 12 JJ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    RB – There is no point, to a logical person. But these people aren’t logical and they never ever stop preaching. They’re propagandists of the Josef Goebbels school — say something over and over enough times, and eventually someone will think it’s the truth. (SUZANNE’s blog is a great example of that kind of “wear down their resistance with repetition”-type propagandizing.)

  13. 13 fern hill Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    From the comments at Roeder Watch:

    This is part of the response I got from Ebay today:

    Thanks very much. We will monitor for these listings. Our Offensive Material Policies are fairly comprehensive and I think they speak for themselves. Notably, the following are listed among the “not allowed” items:

    · Items encouraging violence toward a specific person

    · Any item that glorifies or promotes violence towards animals or humans

    · Personal belongings of anyone convicted of a violent felony or any work (such as a book) from which they might profit

    · Letters or artwork created by serial killers or violent felons

    · Items glorifying serial killers or persons convicted of a violent felons

    So hopefully based on these the majority of the items are eliminated.

    Ain’t gonna happen.

    But the martyrdom will contine.

  14. 14 JJ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    RB – Re Ebay – Good point — I actually doubt if this thing would be allowed to go ahead if there were no complaints about it. No business wants to be thrown into the middle of the so-called “abortion debate”, especially onside with the kind of creeps that even some mainstream anti-choicers find repugnant. But at the same time I don’t think it hurts to give them a *gentle* reminder that this is upsetting and unacceptable.

  15. 15 JJ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    fern hill – Thanks. Sounds like that should eliminate most of the items up for grabs, although you never know. That David & Goliath sketch is really disturbing, and it wasn’t drawn by Roeder, just signed by him. (Although, it clearly glorifies a murder, so hopefully that lets it out.)

  16. 16 JJ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Shade

    I’m going to make a prediction Ebay will say no to their Auction, they will then release a statement calling Ebay “Satanic” and part of the “Homosexual and pro-abotion agenda”.

    Of course — as we know, the gay agenda is generally to blame for most of the world’s evils, including abortion, communism and bad hair days :roll: It reminds me of that George Carlin line — Anti-abortion people shouldn’t hate homosexuals, because who has less abortions than homosexuals??

  17. 17 Reality Bites Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    JJ, it’s my background in customer service – I know that it’s really a company’s customer service and correspondance people who bear the brunt of this and the nudges are rarely gentle – or even civil. The onese they’ll be getting from the other side will be obscene.

    Fair enough, I guess, if a company has actually done something wrong. But there’s nothing here to indicate ebay has even the slightest chance of considering letting this go forward. Just in this thread there’s someone threatening a boycott. Why should we be threatening a company that’s done nothing wrong? How is this creating any goodwill for the prochoice side?

  18. 18 Blackcapped Chickadee Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Reality Bites, when people say nothing assumptions are made about what’s acceptable. That’s how goalposts get moved. eBay needed to made aware that customers WOULD hold them to their policy.

  19. 19 JJ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    True enough, RB. Any talk of boycotts is obviously premature. I may be naive but I’m assuming that most of the communications from this side will be mild admonishments at worst, since it’s not Ebay’s fault that these creeps decided to try and use their service. However, I’ve worked in CS too, and I know what you mean about the people on the front lines bearing the brunt.

    I think what will prove more effective Rachel Maddow’s coverage, and the lawyers are aware, the major media is aware, and I’m sure at this point they’re all asking questions.

  20. 20 JJ Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Chickadee – As I said to RB above, now that the MSM is following this story and asking questions, that alone would probably be enough of a heads up to Ebay. However, the consumer letter-writing that started a couple of days ago no doubt helped get the ball rolling.

    RB is right that it’s the people on the front lines who bear the brunt of most of these complaint campaigns, and much of what they deal with doesn’t go any further than their desks. Also, Ebay probably can’t legally say anything one way or the other until they see what’s actually going on the block, so we won’t know anything until that happens.

    So at this point I’m less inclined to encourage people to bombard Ebay with letters than to just monitor the situation, and don’t let the MSM forget about it either. (Although with Maddow on the case, it’s unlikely that would happen.)

  21. 21 Blackcapped Chickadee Tuesday, October 27, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    While the proposed offerings add to the offensiveness, they’re really a distraction. The point of the planned auctions was to raise funds to defend a man charged with murder, who is a member of a group that considers violence and intimidation justified in order to achieve political ends. That’s terrorism.

    Rachel Maddow is not the MSM. She’s one woman. The media have often been sympathetic to violent anti-abortion activists, and the “this is different” exceptionalism around anti-abortion violence is exactly why I felt obliged to email eBay. I’m pretty sure the front-line eBay worker who read my missive will get over the trauma, unlike the 9 people murdered by these head-cases.

  22. 22 Reality Bites Wednesday, October 28, 2009 at 2:46 am

    Blackcapped Chickadee, how presumptious to assume that ebay doesn’t already know what’s right and acceptable, especially when they’ve already said what’s right and acceptable to them.

    I can only imagine you’d be an extremely unpleasant person to know in real life, what with your propensity to harangue people over things they have no intention of doing.

    Yes, the people will get over the “trauma” of reading your missive, and if it were the only one it would be of little importance. But it won’t be, nor is it this the only issue over which people pointlessly harass them.

    I guess the real question might be will you get over the smug self-satisfaction of imagining you’ve accomplished something when you’ve really done nothing but make yourself feel good.

  23. 23 J. A. Baker Wednesday, October 28, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Good news on the terrorist auction front: EBay has decided not to run the auction.

    Cue fetus fetishist shrieeeeeeeking in 5…4…3…2…1…

  24. 24 JJ Wednesday, October 28, 2009 at 10:57 am

    JAB – Thanks for the heads up.

    I actually doubt very much if mainstream anti-choicers would be anything but pleased by this resolution — these Christian Jihadists do their movement no favours. On the contrary, I wouldn’t be surprised to see SUZANNE post in favour of Ebay’s decision.

  25. 25 Blackcapped Chickadee Sunday, November 1, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    RB, I said nothing about eBay not knowing what’s right or wrong, but I don’t confuse a corporation with an individual. Corporations often behave in completely immoral, unethical ways as I’m sure you’re aware. Reminding them that we as individuals can choose to not do business with them is our right.

    As for your assessment of my character, right back ‘atcha.

  26. 26 JJ Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    UPDATE: Apparently the auction went ahead — briefly– so now I’m leaning more towards the “deluge them with complaints” side of things.


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