Man arrested & strip-searched after daughter draws picture of daddy watering plants, teacher suspects grow-op

Okay, that didn’t really happen and was in fact pulled right out of my arse.  But it’s only a matter of time:

A Kitchener father is upset that police arrested him at his children’s school Wednesday, hauled him down to the station and strip-searched him, all because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school. [...]

The school principal, police and child welfare officials, however, all stand by their actions. They said they had to investigate to determine whether there was a gun in Sansone’s house that children had access to.

Why?

(h/t Dr.Dawg)

 

20 Responses to “Man arrested & strip-searched after daughter draws picture of daddy watering plants, teacher suspects grow-op”


  1. 1 Skinny Dipper Saturday, February 25, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    I don’t know if the person who called the Children’s Aid Society was a teacher or educational assistant. In any position of trust, an adult is required to report if there is suspected sexual, physical, emotional abuse or neglect against a child. The adult is also required to report if there is an immenent threat of abuse or neglect of a child. As for this particular child drawing a picture of her dad holding a gun and informing a teacher or EA that he uses it to protect against strangers and monsters, I would not have called child services as there was no abuse, neglect, or threat of abuse against the child. At the same time, teachers are informed NOT to talk to the parents as this is a job for child services and the police. Teachers are not investigators. Besides, in an allegation of abuse case, a parent could convince a teacher that there is no abuse. The next day, the parent and child could be gone. Teachers do record what a child has said using his/her own words. If there is an allegation of abuse against a child, then the teacher must report to child services.

    A teacher or EA may inform the principal of a possible abuse situation. However, it is still the teacher or EA’s responsibility to contact child services if a child has explained or displayed any kind of abuse. The principal does need to accommodate the teacher or EA by having someone else teach the class while the teacher or EA calls child services. The principal will need to follow up by asking the teacher or EA if they had called child services since the principal is now privy to the allegation of abuse information. The principal may need to call child services if the other staff members haven’t.

    In many parts of Canada, there is a gun culture where adults talk about hunting with other adults or their own children. Staff members in schools must be mindful that guns may indirectly be a part of child’s culture. While many schools will frown upon students drawing guns or using their thumb and finger as guns, some young students will be oblivious to the school or classroom rules prohibiting the display of guns or other weapons in pictures or actions.

    • 2 JJ Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 10:54 am

      A teacher or EA may inform the principal of a possible abuse situation.

      I can’t see where there was any indication of abuse in this situation at all. It’s not a crime to own a firearm, nor is it a crime to take it out in front of your kids. In my neck of the woods (literal), kids are familiarized with firearms & taught to respect their power from a young age. People have this aspect of parenting well-in-hand, and don’t need any “help” from the authorities.

      My beef with this story is the privacy aspect of things: proper protocol should be to respect this citizen’s privacy before piling on with the full force of the Law. ie. If there’s a concern, first get in touch with the guy and straighten it out.

  2. 3 cityprole Saturday, February 25, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    I read about that and thought it was a bit of overkill, then remembered that last night i saw something on TV about a 7 year old boy who took a gun to school in his backpack, dropped his pack on the floor next to his desk, and the gun accidentally discharged, hitting, you guessed it, the little girl in the desk behind him…even the teacher doesn’t believe he “meant” to hurt anyone, but often teachers are damned if they do, damned if they don’t..hard to know what to say about the dad being interrogated in your story, obviously, he wasn’t an issue, but so hard to tell these days who is..That seven year old boy has to to go through court and everythng..what about his dad leaving guns around ?

    • 4 Beijing York Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 9:09 am

      My friend’s granddaughter goes to that school and her next door neighbour’s little boy was in the classroom. They are both traumatized by what happened. The little girl is still in critical condition and the little boy has been taken away from his parents. My friend’s impression is that there might be parental negligence at play.

    • 5 JJ Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 10:40 am

      A tragic incident for sure but not one that happens routinely, and therefore not justification for the gestapo to shake down anyone they suspect of owning a gun — which is, after all, no more of a crime than owning a car or a chainsaw or anything else that could be mis-used to cause mayhem.

      With me this is less of a gun issue and more of a general privacy issue. None of the “authorities” in this story followed what should be proper protocol: if there’s a concern, direct it to the parent in private before jumping on him with both jackboots in front of an entire school full of people.

  3. 6 Kim Saturday, February 25, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    I remember in kindergarten, drawing a picture of my Dad getting out of bed in his jockey shorts. I’m grateful the grownups involved all had a sense of humour.

    I grew up in a hunting culture. We learned firearms safety early, as my Dad knew firsthand how devastating a hunting accident can be, having his hip shattered as a teenager in such an accident.

    Now, kids don’t usually learn such safety firsthand. They see the weapons on TV and draw their context from that. Their teachers might want to remember that.

    • 7 JJ Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 11:01 am

      Yeah, there’s a big difference between the way city kids learn about this stuff and the way rural kids learn about it, which is to accompany dad on a hunting trip at age 6.

      Actually this kid’s drawing sounds like something she might have seen on TV, where people are always running around with guns to ward off bad guys. You’re right, it is something teachers should keep in mind before going off the deep at the sight of something that might have come out of the kid’s imagination.

  4. 8 fhg1893 Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 12:09 am

    I’m afraid that the blame here rests largely with Alan Rock, Sharon Carstairs, Wendy Cukier, Anne McLellan, Heidi Rathjen and a whole parade of characters who’ve popped in and out of our political reality over the past two decades.

    Quite frankly, Alan Rock pushed a bill that asserted an intimate link between gun owners, and criminal activity. Alan Rock assisted by these usual suspects planted the idea in Canada’s bureaucracy that firearms in the hands of Canadian citizens were fundamentally dangerous, and would inevitably bring about the end of Canadian society as we know it.

    We have never been the same since, and every scenario of state overreaction you could possibly imagine will need to be played out before the majority of Canadians begin to slowly realize that we as a nation have swallowed Alan Rock’s kool-aid without question, or hesitation, and as such, we’ve gone too far down the path of national hoplophobia. We even have a national day of guilt, specifically so that we can publicly recall our national allegiance to fearing firearms. Well, I know that wasn’t the original intention, but we all know that’s exactly what it’s become.

    The only real question is, how much power did the Liberals give Wendy Cukier, and the rest of her band of deeply entrenched state-sponsored hoplophobes, because thanks to Alan Rock, and despite of C-19, they’re going to be with us for a very, very long time yet.

    • 9 fhg1893 Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 12:11 am

      Oh. And it doesn’t matter how many incidents like this occur. The Democratik People’s Republik of Quebec is bound and determined to remain afraid of men, and afraid of firearms forever.

      • 10 JJ Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 11:33 am

        …we’ve gone too far down the path of national hoplophobia

        “Hoplophobia” :lol: That cracks me up. Did gun advocates make up that word or has it always been around? I never heard of it til this year :lol:

        Although this story is more about privacy rights in general to me (thus the over-the-top title), sadly it also demonstrates the 2nd class citizenship of law-abiding gun owners. Even if the guy was suspected of growing pot — something that’s illegal, as opposed to gun ownership — I doubt if all the authorities would have come down on him the way they did in this case.

        We even have a national day of guilt

        Not all of us. The issue with the Montreal massacre is mental illness, systemic misogyny, and how the two can combine & spiral into disaster, not gun ownership. I think it’s something worth remembering every year: if we can concentrate on the right issues (mental health, women’s rights), we can get closer to preventing it from happening again.

        • 11 fhg1893 Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 3:11 pm

          Hoplophobia has been around since 1962, but like all things, with the advent of the Internet, it wasn’t in the popular lexicon until recently.

          If his daughter had drawn him watering plants, and somehow, they suspected a grow-op, I can’t believe that they would have simply barged in. They’d have at least obtained a warrant. To me, this story is partially a sign of a deeply hoplophobic culture, and it seems to have been imposed on us by Liberal fear-mongering in the mid to late 1990′s. We gun nuts trade stories constantly of over-reaction and irrational fear of firearms. There are many examples of this kind of overreaction which have circulated in the media. This one probably wouldn’t have this level of staying power if it weren’t for Sun News, believe it or not. Ezra Levant’s tirade was quite good I thought.

          I agree with you on the massacre. Nobody ever mentions that Lepine’s birth-name was Gamil Gharbi, and that his father’s influence seemed to have a lot to do with his actions that fateful day. The left seems especially blind to the fact that we still live in a world where deeply misogynist cultures are all too common. Instead, they latched onto the tool of violence and seem to have constructed a narrative about how it must have whispered evil ideas to him. And the rest as they say, is history.

  5. 12 bleatmop Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 12:13 am

    What a ridiculous set of events. And since when is possession of a firearm a crime? And when is a little girl imagining her daddy protecting her a threat of harm or neglect to the daughter? If she had drawn a sword or knife, would they be charging him with possession of a sword or knife? This guy should be hiring a lawyer and changing his kid’s school.

  6. 17 Niles Monday, February 27, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    In this day of ‘shooter’ games like ‘call of duty’, etc and all the films where the good guys shoot the bad guys, and even the peripheral props that are gun shaped and the hook-ups to tv where the kids can watch, I’d be surprised if a kid didn’t happily draw a parent shooting the stuffing out of a lot of things big and nasty.

    I think we should take JJ’s comment on the Montreal massacre as a guide. This incident isn’t about over-reacting to alleged gun ownership. Schools have to report. That’s not a problem. It’s about negligence by law enforcement to investigate a report in good faith, aborting straight to the time saver of incarceraton and abuse of authority over an entire household. Why indeed. Just to teach everyone not to waste the valuable time of the police involved?

    Do they really believe this kid is going to have a good relationship with law enforcement, or even the school officials, after this? How much guilt is she going to have, drawing a picture and having her dad end up hauled away and her family broken up? Seems to me, she just got a lesson in how to be paranoically anxious and secretive. She has no basis now to predict when reaction will be totally out of weight to an ‘offense’. As reported, I lay that at the feet of the police conduct.

    • 18 JJ Tuesday, February 28, 2012 at 1:07 am

      In a way this kid is lucky: she got an early glimpse of the Truth about Our Police Force and the high esteem with which they regard the citizenry they’re sworn to “serve & protect”.

      But why wouldn’t they think we’re stooges? We’re the dummies that want to give them a monopoly on the use of force.

  7. 19 bleatmop Monday, February 27, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    A good article about the incident in the national post. http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/02/25/lorne-gunter-when-police-mishandle-guns-vs-when-you-do/

    Its ironic how on the same day this happened, another police force nearby were having a press conference detailing how they lost riot gear by a man who left his handgun loaded lying on the seat of his car. I’m sure they arrested and strip searched that guy too, right? Oh wait, he has a badge and thus gets a pass for being irresponsible with a weapon.

    • 20 JJ Tuesday, February 28, 2012 at 1:01 am

      Thanks for the link. I like the compare & contrast:

      A civilian handgun owner discovered to have left his licensed revovler under the seat of his car which was locked inside his garage would certainly lose his gun license and his guns and would almost certainly go to jail. He’d have a criminal record, for sure.

      Just one more reason to wonder why people would want the police to be the only ones allowed to possess firearms.


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