Another honour killing?

Three female family members murdered by the family patriarch, and where are the anti-feminists?:

A 58-year-old man turned the gun on himself after shooting three members of his family in a northern Alberta town, according to new information released by the RCMP Thursday.

Ian Jeffrey Paget appeared to have died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, RCMP said in a news release.

The bodies of Paget, a woman police described as his estranged wife, Joan Hanson, 64, the couple’s daughter Jolene Eliuk, 32, and her daughter, Misty, 9, were found on Sunday in a farmhouse in Smith, about 200 kilometres north of Edmonton.

I expect there’ll be as much ink, tears and spittle spilled by conservatives over these Alberta killings as the Rideau Canal murders, which may (or may not) have been honour killings.  At least I hope so:  otherwise, it looks an awful lot like they’re just “concern-trolling” about Muslim women as a way to vent some kind of genteel racism.   The outrage will be coming any minute now, I’m sure.  Any… minute… now…

There’s more on the story here:  What a tragedy.  It appears that financial pressure drove Paget off the deep end and everyone else was in the wrong place at the wrong time.   If someone is suicidal, can’t or won’t seek help and self-destruction is imminent, why can’t they just go off somewhere alone and check out?   Why do they have to take other people with them?   A 9-year-old kid — so sad.

Speaking of the Rideau Canal Murders: This story was weird from the start and gets weirder every day, with family and friends continually showing up to say (a) it was an “honour” killing, and alternately (b) it wasn’t an “honour” killing.  It appears to be less about “honour” and more about a guy wanting to rid himself of an “extra family” (second wife and 3 kids), although it’s hard to imagine the mentality that would consider killing them to be a viable option.   This is clearly one of those stories where nobody but the perpetrators will know the whole truth until the trial starts — in the interim it’s  a good idea to avoid making assumptions about cultural issues that may (or may not) have played into the killings.  That’s not political correctness, it’s logic.

33 Responses to “Another honour killing?”


  1. 1 lulugirrrlll Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 6:37 am

    Silly JJ … everyone knows the term “honour killing” only applies when the dead people in question have funny-sounding not-Canadian names.

    I’m sure Ruffles will be along any minute now with a better explanation — right after SUZANNE blames abortion and feminists. 😉

  2. 2 Dr. Prole Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 6:43 am

    Well Lulu you know that if it weren’t for feminists and abortion, the economy would be completely awesome so this would have never happened.

  3. 3 J. A. Baker Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 6:47 am

    And then after that, Twatsy will show up to put words in JJ’s mouth to make it sound like she supported “honor killings.” 😆

  4. 4 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 7:21 am

    Lulu – It’s actually kind of a silly analogy, given that it compares mental issues with cultural ones, but my point is that nobody really knows what drove the killings in either case (although we can be pretty sure in the Alberta case the guy just snapped). But all we know for sure is that a bunch of females were killed (again), the rest is all speculation and it might be smart to avoid making too many assumptions.

  5. 5 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 7:27 am

    Dr.Prole – Those aborted feti from the 70s and 80s would have been working now and keeping the wheels of the economy grinding along, which would have meant that this guy would have somehow not succumbed to mental illness and spiraled into violence.

    Someone will come up with that rationalization at some point.

  6. 6 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 7:28 am

    JAB – This is where that little “:” disclaimer icon comes in handy.

  7. 7 lulugirrrlll Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 7:40 am

    JJ – it might be a silly analogy but in many ways, it’s a perfectly valid one. Why is one cause for endless shrieeeeeeeking and the other a simple tragedy?

    I’m sure the fact that one case involves people of a shall we say “duskier” hue has nothing to do with it.

  8. 8 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 7:49 am

    Lulu – Haha, indeed. Too bad their ersatz concern about Muslim women wasn’t more about “women” and less about “muslim”.

  9. 9 Raphael Alexander Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 9:56 am

    It is actually pretty simple. Canadians seldom kill one another over some silly concept of family dishonour. No doubt the Klingons would disagree with me, but there it is.

  10. 10 deBeauxOs Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Funny how Canadian murderer Colin Thatcher perfectly fits the profile of someone who committed an “honour killing” doesn’t it, “Raphael Alexander”?

  11. 11 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 10:36 am

    RA – I agree, the practice is a real throwback to more primitive times and not something that’s common in north american society.

    What do you mean by Klingon??

    EDIT: Apparently this practice was common in Brazil unti 1991, and of course there’s the old Texas law, so it’s not completely foreign to ‘western’ society, but in 21st century north america it tends to be extremely rare. The media attention might lead one to believe that these things are happening every day.

  12. 12 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 10:49 am

    deBeauxOs – I thought of him too, but his case was greed, pure & simple. A divorce, he didn’t want to pay the alimony, 2 behind the ear.

    Actually in Thatcher’s case, if anything it was him that brought “dishonour” onto the family with all his fucking around

  13. 14 Raphael Alexander Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 11:18 am

    I can’t comment on Colin Thatcher, or a murder that occurred when I was 8.

  14. 15 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 11:21 am

    RA – I know about the Star Trek Klingons, I was just curious who you were calling a Klingon HERE at dis place

  15. 16 Dr.Dawg Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 11:25 am

    What happened to my comment?

  16. 17 J. A. Baker Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I don’t think RA was aiming the Klingons remark at anyone in particular, JJ.

  17. 18 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Dr.Dawg – You mean the one with the link about Brazil? You posted it in a different thread and I can’t change it to here, sorry!

  18. 19 JJ Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 11:50 am

    JAB – I know, I just thought it was funny 😆 He usually says things like “*harrumph* Well, you Leftist Marxist elitist BUMS and your Leftist Marxism… (etc etc)” “Klingons” is new & different

  19. 20 Frank Frink Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    I can’t comment on Colin Thatcher, or a murder that occurred when I was 8.

    Pure, unadulterated bull pucky. Should we now expect you to not comment or write about anything that happened when you were but a child, or anything that happened before you were born?

    Could you possibly be any more full of crap or should I just wait for your next comment or blog post?

  20. 22 deBeauxOs Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Yes Doctor Frink, isn’t it an excuse for “Raphael Alexander” to use – after all, Karl Marx has been dead now for well over a century.

  21. 23 Raphael Alexander Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Frank,

    I’m not going to comment on a murder I’ve never heard about from a murderer I’ve never heard about. It would be the height of arrogance to think I could comment on something I know nothing about. That’s more your style.

  22. 24 lulugirrrlll Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 6:11 am

    How odd “Raphael” — the fact that you know less than nothing about feminists certainly doesn’t stop you from commenting about them ad nauseum.

  23. 25 deBeauxOs Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 7:04 am

    Gee, “Raphael Alexander”, does that mean you never do research or use Google to find information about things you’ve never heard about, except that you know (by osmosis) that they happened when you were 8 years old?

  24. 26 sedum Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 7:42 am

    JJ

    Do you think it’s possible for Dr. Dawg to teach Ruffles to “post to a different thread”?

    Like maybe Malkin who’d probably think Babbles, Baffles, Trifles, Stifles, Rifles is a left wing hoser. By her standards the merry miscreant probably is.

  25. 27 Raphael Alexander Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 11:17 am

    What, you mean the four or five times I’ve mentioned feminists on my blog? Yawn. That stuff bores the living hell out of me.

    As for Colin Thatcher, I did a google search just to find out what the hell you were going on about. That’s how I know the precise age I was when the murder occurred. Perhaps if I thought that it would be of any value whatsoever, I would read and research it, and offer up some half-educated opinion. But we all know that would be useless because of the intellectual dishonesty prominent in the Canadian Cynic crowd.

  26. 28 LuLu Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    And if anyone knows intellectual dishonesty, it’s you, “Raphael”.

  27. 29 JJ Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    You kids! Don’t make me come down there!

  28. 30 Frank Frink Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    It would be the height of arrogance to think I could comment on something I know nothing about.

    Yet it never seems to stop you from doing so on a daily basis.

    Passive-aggressive, disingenuous, obsequious and oblivious twerp.

  29. 31 JJ Sunday, August 2, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    RA – Colin Thatcher’s story was pretty high-profile for awhile, and his name still pops up in the news every so often, so I’m surprised you’ve never heard of him.

    I think deBeauxOs’s original point was probably that while there’s nothing wrong with drawing attention to honour killings, for some reason they seem to be regarded (in some quarters) as far more serious than domestic violence murders. While I wouldn’t characterize HKs as “domestic violence”, murder is murder and it seems a little strange that some types of murder would be condemned (and obsessed about) more than others.

  30. 33 Emilia Sunday, January 23, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Let’s be honest: in countries like Canada, the United States, Mexico, Denmark, etcetera, fathers generally don’t kill daughters, brothers don’t kill sisters, etcetera, for “dishonouring” the family by talking to the wrong boy, having premarital sex, etcetera. Even the Western country with the worst track record of dealing with wayward daughters, Ireland (hey, I can say this because I’m part Irish myself) sent them to places like the Magdalene laundries but didn’t actually kill them. The law in Brazil, Texas, etcetera didn’t have to do with fathers and daughters or brothers and sisters; it had to do with husbands and wives. Which didn’t make it right, but the fact is the spectre of fathers, brothers, etcetera actually killing female blood relatives for bringing shame onto the family isn’t prevalent in the above-mentioned countries.


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