More of this, please

Rep. Barney Frank finally does what Democrats should have started doing the second the wingnuts added words like “Hitler” and “Nazi” to their escalating, out-of-control, hysterical hyperbole around health care reform:

Excellent.  I hope the rest are watching and learning and will be responding in a similar fashion to the “dining room tables” in their own constituencies.

(h/t – ACR)

19 Responses to “More of this, please”

  1. 1 croghan27 Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 3:25 am

    I agree that bringing up Hitler in just about any context is somewhat overboard these days.

    (here is comes)

    BUT – I do recall seeing pictures of Bush, Hitlerian moustache faked on and giving a Seigh Heil salute, by some Democratic supporters, or at least opponents of some of Bush’s programs.

    Opposition to Obama’s milquetoast Medicare package has indeed been pushed over some edge of taste of sense – yet the references to Nazism did not begin with Republicans. If I condemn one, I must condemn the other.

    I was not impressed by them and I am not impressed by this, latest, incarnation of Nazi/fascist references.

  2. 2 Chet Scoville Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 5:56 am

    It had to be Barney Frank who would do this. In fact, I can’t imagine him doing anything else. Go Barney!

  3. 3 Q Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 6:44 am

    I’ll take Obama’s Nazi policies over Bush/Cheney’s Nazi policies any day.

    Remember Bush rallies where protesters were kept away or arrested for wearing anti-Bush t-shirts? etc. etc. etc.
    And at an Obama meeting, anything goes, including loaded assault rifles…just saying.

  4. 4 Dr. Prole Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 6:53 am

    croghan27, GWB started 2 wars of aggression (and entrenched us in, impossible situations that Obama is now having to try to deal with), with the help of private mercenaries, and had people illegally detained and tortured. He disregarded the Geneva Conventions. He was a damn sight closer to Hitler than Obama. Hell, his granddaddy Prescott’s was connected to Hitler’s financiers, and he profited mightily from his Nazi connections. That’s partly how the Bush’s got so obscenely wealthy.
    Bush/Nazi link

    So, while I get what you’re saying, it’s sort of a false equivalence.

  5. 5 JJ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 6:56 am

    croghan – Agreed. It was dumb then and it’s even dumber now. To me, using “Hitler” analogies usually means you don’t have a solid, credible argument. There were a ton of reasons to criticize the Bush administration without resorting to Nazi hyperbole. There are also reasons to criticize Obama, and to have a serious & detailed discussion about his administration’s ideas for health care reform, but screaming “Nazi!” isn’t part of that process.

  6. 6 Dr. Prole Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 7:00 am

    …I should add, I do agree with you about the word “Nazi” being thrown around by anyone. As a half-Jew/Ukrainian, my family was very directly affected by the Holocaust and I don’t appreciate that being cheaply tossed around for political points by idiots.

  7. 7 JJ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 7:01 am

    Chet – I’ve been waiting for someone to do this, and it doesn’t surprise me at all that it would be Barney Frank 8)

    The people trying to disrupt the town hall meetings won’t accept anything the Dems have to offer in the way of health care reform, their anger isn’t even about health care reform, so they’re not even worth talking to and I can’t understand why the Democrats are so stuck on this “bipartisanship” thing. There’s none to be had, so they might as well use their majority to work out a deal for reform and get it passed, teabaggers be damned.

  8. 8 JJ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 7:03 am

    Q – For sure. If you scroll down to where I linked to Sadly No yesterday, that’s the point they were making. Nice double standard!!!

  9. 9 JJ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 7:10 am

    Dr.Prole – One of the things I find amusing about the “Obama/Hitler” hysteria is that on the Fascism Scale, Bush was much closer to Hitler. But I always thought it was dumb — “Bushitler” etc — and distracted from the multitude of real reasons to criticize Bush.

    That said, I still occasionally use “Repigs” to describe people like that stunned cretin in the video 😉 😆 but Hitler analogies are almost always lame. Especially about health care reform… WTF? Obama wants people to have health care so that makes him a nazi?? DUH! The stupid, it burrrrrrrns.

  10. 10 Cornelius T.Zen Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 7:29 am

    Good morrow, all!
    Therein lies the rub.
    The Democrats are too busy wanting to be remembered as the “Nice Guys” — you know, kind, sensitive, inclusive — to remember that they were elected to be the “Good Guys” — you know, strong, brave, smart and determined to win.
    The Democrats are jellyfish. No spine, no balls, no guts. They have a commanding, not slight, mind you, but COMMANDING majority in both houses of Congress AND one of their own in the White House. They are letting the Republicans take all the political initiative here. Bad move, very, very bad move. Nobody respects jellyfish.
    Is it better to be feared or respected? Is it too much to ask for both? That’s how Dad did it, that’s how America does it — and it’s been working pretty good so far — for the Republicans.
    They have nothing to lose by being nasty. People fear nasty. People respect nasty. They walk quietly in the presence of nasty.
    It is time to match up that big stick with a loud commanding stomp. It is time to take back the initiative. It is time for the Good Guys to wear black. It is time to shoot back.
    Let the meek inherit the earth. The rest of us should be on our way to the stars.
    Forgive me if I don’t hold my breath – CTZen

  11. 11 J. A. Baker Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 8:13 am

    WTF? Obama wants people to have health care so that makes him a nazi?? DUH! The stupid, it burrrrrrrns.

    Although on the sliding scale of T3h Stoopid, it pales in comparison to Jonah Goldberg (known “affectionately” down here as the Doughy Pantload). You’ll recall that he devoted an entire book to the notion that liberals are the REAL Nazis because, like Hitler, they want universal health care.

  12. 12 JJ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 8:18 am


    It is time to match up that big stick with a loud commanding stomp. It is time to take back the initiative.

    I agree 1000% – the Democrats made a big mistake in allowing these crazed cretins to even be part of the discussion — there is no discussion as long as they’re mouthing off, they are just derailing any discussion. Which is exactly what they want.

    I was hoping that Rahm Emanuel would bring a little nasty to the Dems… I think Obama has it in him, but he’s trying too hard to be “bipartisan” and “common ground”. I can see doing that initially, but once it became apparent that the wingnuts have NOTHING to add to the discussion except “Obama’s a Nazi”, they should have shifted gears immediately and put these assholes on “Ignore”. The Dems have a huge majority — they need to use it, and not allow these intimidation tactics to succeed. Which so far, they are — they’ve already taken the End Of Life stuff out of the bill because of that ridiculous “death panel” bullshit.

    They need to strike while the iron is hot — they won’t always have such a huge majority, especially if they continue to knuckle under to the intimidation tactics of a few freaks.

  13. 13 Mark from Slap Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 10:14 am


    These people aren’t interested in having a real, constructive discussion. Nice to see someone letting them know that for a change.

  14. 14 mouthyorange Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Holy shit, CTZen, I think you just said it all. Your advice should go straight to Obama and his people.

    But I’m not holding my breath, either.

  15. 15 JJ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Mark – That’s exactly right — all they want to do is derail the discussion and keep things exactly the same. Actually, all they want to do is go back to having a republican in the white house, but since they can’t do that, they’re more than willing to use intimidation and high volume to get what they want.

    The Dems should be ignoring them completely.

  16. 16 JJ Wednesday, August 19, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    orange – Maybe not, it sounds like at least 60 of them have grown a spine. They’re saying they will refuse to vote for any bill that doesn’t have a public healthcare option:

  17. 17 Cornelius T.Zen Thursday, August 20, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Good morrow, all!
    OMFG! Politicians developing backbone! Evolution occurring before our very eyes! Pearls are being clutched even as we speak!
    One can only hope it’s not a case of too little, too late.
    It is about time for the Democrats to go “Chuck Norris” on the birthers, the teabaggers and the “Get government hands off my medicare!” Medicare – you know, that precious, non-socialist, government-administered, umm…never mind…
    If the Democrats want Republican opinion, they should do it the old fashioned way – they should beat it out of them.
    Still not holding my breath – CTZen

  18. 18 JJ Thursday, August 20, 2009 at 10:47 am

    CTZen – Well, I’m not holding my breath either, but maybe… just maybe… this might be where the Democrats grab a little spine and go “Fuck you assholes, we won!”

    If I were the Dems, after the performance that’s been coming from the GOP since the election, I would just ignore the dumbfucks completely. They can’t do any worse. Caving is losing them support in their own base.

  19. 19 Cornelius T.Zen Friday, August 21, 2009 at 7:22 am

    Good morrow, JJ!
    Precisely! The Democrats don’t need to have the Republicans like them. Too many Jimmy Carters in the crew, not enough Lyndon Johnsons. Nice guys don’t finish last – they don’t finish, period. They drop out and wave encouragingly to the rest of the runners. Shag that noise. Too much tofu, not enough red meat in the diet. You gotta face whatever you fear, or you’ll fear whatever you face.
    Waiting for them to grow a pair – CTZen

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