DRTs: A different set of facts

Ever wonder why those dining room tables out there seem so horrifically fact-challenged, particularly when it comes to health care reform?  I used to blame it on their cataclysmic feeble-mindedness… and okay, it’s partly that, but there’s something else at play.

A recent poll asked if respondents believed 4 outrageously wrong ideas about health care reform, then broke the results down by the respondents’ self-identified TV news sources, separating Fox News from MSNBC and CNN.  What a surprise:  Fox News viewers turned out to be overwhelmingly misinformed.  Behold the dumbfuckitude:


So what’s happening here is that Fox News viewers (and Republicans in general, since Fox News viewers are overwhelmingly Republican) inhabit an alternate “facts-optional” universe, courtesy of brain-damaged bozos like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, who are only too happy to misinform the psychotic and cerebrally-deprived.   That’s why it’s so frustrating to attempt “debating” such people — it’s like talking about the weather with someone who operates on the basic premise that the sky is green and rain falls upwards into the clouds.  What’s the point?

(via news corpse)

13 Responses to “DRTs: A different set of facts”

  1. 1 Cornelius T.Zen Monday, August 24, 2009 at 8:20 am

    Good morrow, JJ!
    Your frustration and sorrow are understandable. However, that’s like expecting politicians to tell the truth, lawyers to acknowledge the facts, and Big Pharma or Big Insurance CEO’s to give two farts in a typhoon about anything other than maximizing the next quarter’s profits. Then again, the people attempting to sway public opinion against the current attempts at health care reform are politicians, lawyers and CEO’s of Big Pharma and Big Insurance (heretofore referred to as Them). Slime follows slime, as it might be termed.
    You see, if health care reform goes into effect, and works, that make Them wrong, and will cost Them money. It has nothing to do with democracy, or socialism or religion, or anything, other than Them’s bottom lines. Period.
    Them is not stupid. Them is not insane. Them is evil. Them live on the blood of Joe and Mary Sixpack. Take away one drop of that blood, one penny of that money, and Them goes into full zombie “Braaaaaiiiiinnnnnsssss!” mode.
    Bill Maher was right – Them needs America to be as dumb as possible, otherwise America will see that Them has no clothes.
    Don’t hold your breath – CTZen

  2. 2 J. A. Baker Monday, August 24, 2009 at 10:37 am

    And CTzen astutely points out why this Texan is seriously considering emigrating to Canada.

  3. 3 Calgal Monday, August 24, 2009 at 10:59 am

    I was a little curious the other day about how nasty the battle got in Canada when Medicare was introduced and if there were any similarities to the fight going in the U.S. today.

    If you read through the documents you will see that the Sask College of Physicians and Surgeons were the ones doing the fearmongering and astroturfing. They even pretended to want to negotiate with the government but ultimately refused every concession offered to them.

    Some things never change and this little poster at the link below says it all.

  4. 4 J. A. Baker Monday, August 24, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong, Calgal, but that poster looks like it was arguing in favor of Canada’s current healthcare system.

  5. 5 hemmingforddogblog Monday, August 24, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    JAB: If you have a profession, getting in is easy. Come for the health care, stay for the joie de vivre.

  6. 6 J. A. Baker Monday, August 24, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    SQ: Well, that’s the thing. I have a profession, but my work history’s a bit spotty.

  7. 7 Calgal Monday, August 24, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    J.A. Baker – Correct me if I’m wrong, Calgal, but that poster looks like it was arguing in favor of Canada’s current healthcare system.

    Yes, the poster is arguing in favour of Medicare. I was just pointing out that 63 years later, the tactics are very similar. The caption at the bottom of the poster should be cause for hope in the U.S. The republicans are in a death struggle for a worn out system and all they have left to debate with are rumours, lies and gross misrepresentations. Hopefully, they’re going down.

  8. 8 hemmingforddogblog Monday, August 24, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    “I have a profession, but my work history’s a bit spotty.”

    You will fit in, right here in Quebec. 🙂 (We are the party capital of Canada. Accused frequently by right whingers of being ‘lazy’)

    Unfortunately, Fox viewers have taken over your country. So sad…

  9. 9 JJ Monday, August 24, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    CTZen – I think you summed it all up: private insurers have the country by the balls and letting go would affect their bottom line, so they are not about to do it.

    What boggles my mind is the incuriousity and intellectual laziness that allows them to do this. But you’re right, I’m not holding my breath for that to change.

  10. 10 JJ Monday, August 24, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    JAB – Don’t give up yet. If the Dems could get a spine and start treating the GOP the way they treated the Dems when they were out of power, this thing is doable. If they can’t do that, with a freaking majority in the house and senate, and owning the white house, I’ll be shocked.

  11. 11 JJ Monday, August 24, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Calgal – Thanks for the link! Amazing! Plus ca meme, plus ca meme chose, and all that.

    The same players, the same strategies, the same everything. Wow. The only difference I’d say is that there’s something else happening with the healthcare debates in the states — the element of racism, and a lot of angry wingnuts who are pissed off that they lost after 8 years.

  12. 12 J. A. Baker Monday, August 24, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Plus ca meme, plus ca meme chose, and all that.

    <Pedantic “Borrowed” Foreign Grammar Nazi>Actually, it’s “plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose,” which means “The more things change, the more they stay the same.”</Pedantic “Borrowed” Foreign Grammar Nazi>

    But that’s just because I’m anal like that. 😛 😆

  13. 13 JJ Tuesday, August 25, 2009 at 7:07 am

    Ahhh… *blush*… I knew there was something amiss, but didn’t have the initiative to use teh googles.

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