Juxtaposting

Many women who have abortions aren’t doing so by choice, they’re being coerced because they’re in a position of weakness:

Pro-abortion groups fight anti-coerced abortion law_1253820163250

When women are coerced or forced into having sex while intoxicated, drugged or drunk (ie. in a position of weakness), it’s their own fault and they should man up and take their punishment err, responsibility.

“It”:  that bothersome thing which can’t be had both ways.

(h/t – DJ)

19 Responses to “Juxtaposting”


  1. 1 Rob F Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    According to this wingnuttery, it will make prosecutors’ and judges jobs’ easier due to a large reduction in the number of criminal charges that are laid. After all, if you’re mugged you’re responsible because you always could have taken an army of reliable bodyguards with you.

  2. 2 Dead Men Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Of course it’s the woman’s fault.

    They could wear a stainless steel chastity belt locked with four padlocks and a fingerprint scanner, but they opt not to.

    /satire

    Quoting Malloy: “Have I told you today how much I hate these people?”

  3. 3 Dr. Prole Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Cognitive dissonance is a hallmark of the right wing authoritarian personality type. They can hold two completely opposite viewpoints and believe both of them wholeheartedly.

    I wonder if SHE has ever been drunk? Maybe Jasper can bring the communion wine over some time and they can tie one on together.

  4. 4 JJ Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Rob F

    if you’re mugged you’re responsible because you always could have taken an army of reliable bodyguards with you.

    Damn right, if someone goes for a stroll in the park and gets attacked by some savage asshole, it’s their own fault. They shouldn’t have been in that park without a full complement of bodyguards.

    It would make life so much simpler (and expedite the judicial process) if criminals were not held to account for their actions!

  5. 5 JJ Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    DM

    Of course it’s the woman’s fault.

    They could wear a stainless steel chastity belt locked with four padlocks and a fingerprint scanner, but they opt not to.

    That’s right DM, it’s all about the stupid choices women make. Choosing not to wear a stainless steel chastity belt is a Stupid Choice. Why should society cater to womens’ stupid choices?

  6. 6 JJ Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Dr.Prole

    I wonder if SHE has ever been drunk? Maybe Jasper can bring the communion wine over some time and they can tie one on together.

    The communion wine… and the crackers!!! 😯

  7. 7 CK Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    I just left a comment at his Wingnut’s posting. But since she seems to use the censoring option before publishing the comments, I decided to post them in my blog this evening. There was a certain quote that really, really troubled me in a big way…the fetus fetishist hates children?? That’s the way I understood it.

    Here is the comment which I posted to my blog this evening:

    http://sistersagesmusings.blogspot.com/2009/09/pro-lifer-advocates-hellish-life-for.html

  8. 9 Bina Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    In the name of fairness, I’m sure Ms. CapsLock will also feel compelled to argue that men who get unhappily married to gold-diggers had it coming because they advertised their wealth and status…right? And they don’t get to divorce just because their mink-coat-craving missus put the deep freeze on them…RIGHT?

    (Golly, this popping-of-double-standards thing is FUN! 😛 )

  9. 10 sassy Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    CK and I notice that SHE has responded – well not really responded, just her same same old ……………….

  10. 11 CK Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Well, Well, that wingnut commented on my blog!! Didn’t think it would happen. She makes even less sense than in her original posting!!

    I thought I was the one having a dyslexic moment.

    (In her world you understand): Did you know that pro-life ideology must always take precedence over the welfare of a child?? WOW!! First time I ever heard that one: my blood is still running cold

  11. 12 Mike Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Ah St. Nitouche, she never fails to entertain and enlighten eh?

    The woman is insane.

    I guarantee she will defend both statements as being true with a perfectly straight face and no get the obvious cognitive dissonance.

  12. 13 JJ Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    CK – I think when she says “the unborn child is of no consequence”, she’s being sarcastic… in her view, the “unborn child” is of far more consequence than the living breathing woman carrying it.

    I’ll never forget when she posted about a pregnant woman in Iran who had been shot during the election protests, with the title “unborn baby shot” or something like that… reading her post, you would not have known the woman had died unless you clicked on the link and read the story.

    Ah, here it is

  13. 14 JJ Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Bina –

    Golly, this popping-of-double-standards thing is FUN!

    Well, it is and it isn’t. The double standard in this case only exists because SUZANNE is so intractable in her thinking. If she was capable of a little more nuanced thought and accepted that women are individuals and every case is unique, there wouldn’t be much to ridicule here.

    It might be perfectly valid to hold those two seemingly polar opposite thoughts (women are weak/women aren’t weak), as long as one isn’t asserting that one or the other is “the way things are”. They’re only the way things are for a very tiny minority of women who abort. The vast majority fall in between. But the “between” story doesn’t lend itself well to propagandizing.

  14. 15 JJ Thursday, September 24, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Mike – My post was a little tongue in cheek, but yah, I haven’t been there for awhile but I see the madness of St. Nitouche continues apace.

    Since every woman is an individual case, both of her statements could be true in a minority of situations, but not as absolutes which is how she frames them.

    “Many women feel coerced”: It’s disingenuous to say that without qualifying that the vast majority do not. Otherwise it implies that MOST women feel coerced, which just isn’t the case.

    Saying women need to take responsibility — even for rape — and carry pregnancies to term (as punishment?) is the same. For most women, abortion is the responsible choice. But it’s also true that some women need to put their big girl pants on and IMO SUZANNE is one of them. It’s easy to be judgmental from the coddled security of a middle class housewife’s life.

  15. 16 Bina Friday, September 25, 2009 at 6:08 am

    A few women feel coerced. A responsible clinic counselor should be able to recognize those few quite readily, and recommend other options to them. If necessary, one can send her to a women’s shelter, to help her get away from the coercive influence. Therefore, the likelihood of a forced abortion is vanishingly small.

    Therefore: another massive FAIL on the part of SUZANNE.

  16. 17 Cornelius T.Zen Friday, September 25, 2009 at 7:34 am

    Good morrow, all!
    This just in:
    FOX NEWS has reported that Sarah Palin began speaking in tongues at a conservative political rally and religious revival meeting.
    On further investigation by CNN, it appears that Mrs. Palin was actually using complete sentences in English, a language that the FOX NEWS correspondent did not recognize.
    And that’s the way it is – CTZen

  17. 18 JJ Friday, September 25, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Bina – Yeah exactly. There are *elements* of truth to both statements, and one could hold that both are true to a very small degree. There are women who feel coerced, but the vast majority don’t. And there are women who wrongly accuse men of rape — but the vast majority of rape cases are genuine, including women who get raped when they’re out of it. To make a statement like “Women who get raped when they’re drunk have only themselves to blame” is just bullshit.

    And, since she analogizes rape with abortion, there are some women who need to get their shit together as far as birth control goes, but for the vast, huge majority, abortion isn’t abdicating responsibility, it IS the responsible decision.

    And isn’t it weird that it’s these same people who constantly grouse about (racist dog whistle alert) “Welfare Queens & their 6 kids”?


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