Angus Reid: Canadians more pro-choice

A new Angus Reid poll on what Canadians believe about a number of social and ethical issues has bad news for fetus fetishists — 66% of Canadians are pro-choice, up from 61% just two years ago:

With so many moral issues at a crossroads, Angus Reid Strategies undertook a national survey last month asking Canadians to consider 21 ethical issues. Their answers—on issues as diverse as animal rights, prostitution, homosexuality and illegal drug use—show some profound divisions by gender and region. But taken together, they seem to reveal a rather astounding liberal tilt in our morality, albeit with some exceptions. Each Canadian steers by his and most certainly her moral compass, and the wonder is we don’t bump into each other more often.  […]

Abortion is morally acceptable to 66 per cent of Canadians, an increase from 61 per cent in two years. It is one of a remarkably few areas where men and women agree in similar proportion.

Canada has long polled overwhelmingly pro-choice.  Unlike our USian friends, we don’t have to put up with having the sexual obsessions, hangups and fears of authoritarian religious perverts imposed upon our personal lives.   Just last year our honouring of Dr. Morgentaler with the Order of Canada amazed feminists south of the border:

Great Scott! Canada has handed out a big gold loving cup to a dude abortion rights activist! That’s right. Dr Henry Morgentaler, pioneer abortion provider, gallops home with an Order of Canada, the government’s top civilian award. As the Guardian’s Heather McRobie points out, this is a big deal;  imagine the extent to which your mind would be blown if either the US or the UK even dreamed of officially admitting that women’s abortion rights is a human rights issue, much less publicly announced that a dude who provides abortions ought to be regarded as a national hero.  (emphasis mine)

Certainly in comparison to the rest of the world, our prevailing attitude towards reproductive rights is enlightened, to say the least.  And apparently, becoming more so all the time, in spite of the anti-choice movement’s best efforts.  I wonder if their habit of importing strategies from the states is starting to backfire — Canada is a stubbornly secular nation, where things like Catholic bishops meddling in health care legislation would be unthinkable, so what works in the US might be a poison pill up here.

Whatever they’re doing, I encourage them to keep at it  🙂

(h/t phatbiker in the comments)

21 Responses to “Angus Reid: Canadians more pro-choice”


  1. 1 fern hill Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Amazing to our USian cousins, perhaps. Not at all amazing to sensible Canajans. We are tolerant. We are secular.

    I think you are right, JJ. Importing USian idiocy does not work here.

    Maybe it’s just that we don’t have as many fat, angry, white men here. 😉

  2. 2 JJ Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    fern hill – Nope, not amazing at all to us. We rule! 😆

    I’d like to see the guts of this study, though. I’m curious to know what level of pro-choiceyness experienced the greatest increase. There’s my level — “on demand, all the time, anytime, any reason, between doctor & woman, no law, government stay out of it” at one end, then there’s the “anytime but 3rd trimester”, then there’s the “first trimester only”, etc. I’m curious if we’ve been so long without a law that people are finally starting to realize that we don’t need one.

  3. 3 Mrs. Bitch Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    I’m jealous. If it wasn’t so damn cold the farther north you go, I’d drag my ass and my husband across the border and renounce my US citizenship. It just gets more and more disheartening to realize how backwards and mean-spirited and selfish so many people in this country are — and I wish that was limited to fat, angry, white men. If I have to watch one more cretinous hag drool over Nanookie of the North at a book signing, I’m going to puke.

  4. 4 bleatmop Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Hey!! As a fat angry white man, I resent being lumped in with a bunch of anti-choice forced birthers. Please… they are RICH fat old white men. I give too much of my money away to ever be rich.

  5. 5 Torontonian Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    I wonder what percent of USians are like Mrs. Bitch–
    want to migrate to Canada.

    I wonder what precent of Canadians–like any of us–
    want to migrate to the USA.

    Those would be really telling numbers.
    ——-
    After my years at university there, I was so
    glad to be permanently back on this side of the
    border.

    That aside, it’s time that we should wish our
    American friends a happy and safe Thanksgiving holiday.

  6. 6 Phatbiker Wednesday, November 25, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    But we are stuck with a conservative gov’t only 37% of the people want. Hopefully with those poll numbers they won’t fuck with a womans right to chose, but you never know.

  7. 7 flex Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Polls and surveys.
    Politicians and the mainstream media loves them.
    For some very good reasons.
    They are cheap to have and simple and easy to manipulate, which allow the media to make itself look more relevant and pretend to speak on behalf of the general public.
    Politicians also love them. Can pretend to speak and act on behalf of the majority or bring up issues and pretend to be forced to to so.
    Also deflects things away from referendums which tend to go against the agenda.
    At best, a survey or poll involves a few thousand people.
    Than comes the 9 out of 10 times in so many percentage of the times.
    A great way to explain when 2+2 does not equal to 4.
    A very creative tool indeed.

    American citizenship?
    Would love to have it.
    Much easier to get into Canada than the US.
    lol;
    Unless You live in Mexico.

    Subject in discussion?
    Her body, Her choice.

  8. 8 Bruce Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 11:03 am

    It seems to me that since, oh, about the time George W was sort of elected, we stopped trying to make comparisons between ourselves and Americans. After years of watching the unbridled passions of wingnuts down there as they exploit their coveted right to free speech and show the world just how dishonest stupid they really can be, it’s possible we decided we want nothing to do with it. That and the fact the media up here thankfully doesn’t pay much attention to our own wingnuts.

    Perhaps Canada is finally comfortable with itself and doesn’t have to look south with envy anymore. This is where Harper and his little band of thugs are so horribly out of step with their own country.

  9. 9 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Mrs.B

    It just gets more and more disheartening to realize how backwards and mean-spirited and selfish so many people in this country are

    Yeah, but there are even more Americans who are decent, cool people… the margin just needs to be a little wider 😉

  10. 10 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    bleatmop

    Please… they are RICH fat old white men

    Well, the ones who make the decisions, maybe. But looking at all the videos and images from the teabaggers marches, none of them look very wealthy… which makes it all the more sad that they’ve been conned into fighting against their own self-interest. Most of them will get a tax cut from Obama, either this year or next, and most would benefit from a public health care option. Very strange.

  11. 11 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Torontonian

    I wonder what percent of USians are like Mrs. Bitch–
    want to migrate to Canada.

    I wonder what precent of Canadians–like any of us–
    want to migrate to the USA.

    Hard to say — employment opportunities in places like NYC are better, depending what career path you take.

    I wanted to transfer to NYC many years ago, and also considered LA, but ultimately didn’t go. It would have been great for my career, but I ended up doing pretty well anyway, it just took a little longer.

    I would think that now that the Democrats are in power, there’d be less people wanting to leave and go to Canada. Wingnuts can’t come here because we’re a communist country 😛

  12. 12 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    phatbiker

    But we are stuck with a conservative gov’t only 37% of the people want.

    Thanks to the 3-party system and the 40% “majority” 👿 It would have been interesting to see how it worked out if that coalition had held together.

  13. 13 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    flex – Any poll has to be taken with a grain of salt, but when it’s done by a legitimate pollster and it seems to follow the same pattern as past polls, there’s probably good reason to believe that it’s not too far from the truth.

    Also, a lot depends on how the questions were asked. Poll questions are routinely tweaked to get the desired result, depending on who commissions the poll.

    And you also make a good point that politicians love them because they can point to a poll and say they speak for the majority! Things aren’t that simple, but they do it all the time.

  14. 14 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Bruce

    Perhaps Canada is finally comfortable with itself and doesn’t have to look south with envy anymore. This is where Harper and his little band of thugs are so horribly out of step with their own country.

    For sure — the health care reform debate made that more obvious than ever. Canadians did not like our health care system being attacked at all — and certainly nobody can claim we’re jealous of the USian system. You’d think Harper would know better, since he lost an election because people were afraid he’d change health care.

  15. 15 Rob F Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    I agree with flex; we have to wait to make sure this isn’t an outlier, like that US poll earlier this year.

  16. 16 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Rob F – Good point, I’d like to see the questions. I don’t doubt that the majority is pro-choice, it always is around 60%, but for it to spike up could be an anomaly (or it went up, but not that much).

    For sure, polls always have to be taken with a grain of salf, no doubt about it.

    But I still thought it was cool! 😛

  17. 17 Jasper Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    “Candians are more pro-choice”

    Do you actually think that is some kind of compliment?

    “There’s my level — “on demand, all the time, anytime, any reason, between doctor & woman, no law, government stay out of it” at one end.”

    wow.

  18. 18 toujoursdan Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Absolutely. The government should stay out of it.

  19. 19 fern hill Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Jasper: In Canada, there is no law, none, zero, zip law on abortion. Abortion is a private medical matter between a woman and her doctor. Canada is the most advanced country on the planet in this respect and we are proud of it.

  20. 20 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    fern hill

    Canada is the most advanced country on the planet in this respect and we are proud of it.

    DAMN proud of it!

    We don’t need no stinkin’ law.

  21. 21 JJ Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Jasper – Well you see, Jasper, in Canada we Trust Women to make the right decisions about their own reproductive systems. We don’t want a government bureaucrat to get between a patient and her doctor

    … sound familiar??


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