Repealing “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”: the Christian Taliban responds

As Pres.Obama announced in the State of the Union address last week, the cruel and primitive “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy regarding gays in the military will soon be repealed.  Those in the uppermost chain of command agree vehemently:

The nation’s top two defense officials called Tuesday for an end to the 16-year-old “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, a major step toward allowing openly gay men and women to serve in the U.S. military for the first time.

Hardball ran a segment on this last night — a gay former soldier and some nut from the “Family Research Council” weighed in on the issue and it didn’t take long for things to get ugly:

Matthews:  “So we should outlaw gay behaviour?”
Christalibangelist:  “Yes!”

So the next time you hear one of these vicious “family values” cretins arfing off about “small government”, remember that they’re the ones who’d have the state regulate peoples’ sex lives and punish anything they don’t like.

As for Sprigg’s lurid fantasies about what could happen if gays were allowed to serve openly in the military, I won’t even go there.  But my Magic 8-ball tells me there might be some toe-tapping in his future…

20 Responses to “Repealing “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”: the Christian Taliban responds”


  1. 1 Torontonian Wednesday, February 3, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Why not just get the gay-intolerant military persons
    back out on to Civvy Street and let the military
    operate on a basis of mutual understand and respect
    of one’s being? Either that or deny the intolerant
    persons any further advancement or progression
    through the ranks.

  2. 2 Rob F Wednesday, February 3, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    In the Ancient Greek army, homosexuality was common. There is no basis for believing that any ancient Spartans or Athenians were dropping their hoplons and cuirasses in order to run away from teh gayz faster. The presence of gay soldiers in Ancient Greece clearly had no effect on their ability to give a good beating to the Persians.

    In addition, DADT results in a waste of resources spent training them. Several Arabic translators have been expelled. And so on. The same old arguments against DADT still hold, and it is getting tiresome to keep repeating them.

    And I agree. Social conservatives do not believe in small government. As a matter of fact, they can’t get enough of government when it comes to controlling, and snooping into, other people’s sex lives.

  3. 3 Scary Fundamentalist Wednesday, February 3, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    So the next time you hear one of these vicious “family values” cretins arfing off about “small government”, remember that they’re the ones who’d have the state regulate peoples’ sex lives and punish anything they don’t like.

    Agreed – small government and the policing of sex lives are incompatible.

    Worse yet, it looks like Torontonian and Rob F would like to regulate our consciences, banning such people they don’t approve of from military and government. So much better.

  4. 4 Torontonian Wednesday, February 3, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Of course, I’m not serious. Throwing out
    all those who aren’t amenable to working
    with gays would cause a serious population
    bulge in Hillbillyland.

  5. 5 Cornelius T.Zen Wednesday, February 3, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Good morrow, all!
    Point to ponder: in combat, the men fight for each other. God, country and leadership are usually the last things on anyone’s mind when the fit hits the shan.
    Who would you rather have at your back: a gay man who is looking out for you, or a bigot who would gladly let you die?
    The real reason DADT was put in place: who wants 15,000 guys armed with M-16’s walking around snarling, “Who you callin’ a faggot?”
    What? You thought those guys learned to make their beds, organize their gear and color-coordinate their clothing, just from basic training? And, they even ask for directions!
    Army: At least we *shoot* straight – CTZen

  6. 6 Scary Fundamentalist Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 8:45 am

    …bigot who would gladly let you die

    That’s about as credible an allegation as getting randomly and involuntarily butt-f*cked in a barracks.

  7. 7 JJ Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Scary – Torontonian’s point was more of a tongue in cheek quid pro quo — this isn’t a banning-and-regulation-friendly zone. 😉

  8. 8 Reality.Bites Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I’m not particularly eager to put your faith in bigots’ better nature to the test when it comes to my own life, thanks.

    There’s no need to reach back to ancient Rome, Rob. Allowing openly gay and lesbian troops to serve has been a non-issue in every modern armed forces but one.

    Our armed forces recruits at gay pride parades – and this under Stephen Harper.

    And yes, too fucking bad, Fundy Scum. Bigots have no place in any workplace, including the forces if they can’t keep their filth to themselves. None. At. All.

  9. 9 Scary Fundamentalist Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 10:00 am

    JJ:

    Torontonian yes, but good ol’ Reality just proved my point. (I misread Rob F’s post too re: government, so my apologies Rob.)

    btw Reality, Belarus, Latvia, Cyprus, Turkey, Serbia, and Greece ban gays from their military, and that’s just Europe. And don’t tell me that Turkey’s armed forces aren’t modern.

  10. 10 JJ Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 10:04 am

    CTZen

    or a bigot who would gladly let you die?

    I would guess that in a battlefield with bullets flying and bombs going off, personal biases pale in importance to the task of survival. Bigotry is kind of a luxury.

  11. 11 JJ Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 10:08 am

    RB

    if they can’t keep their filth to themselves.

    Those are the key words.

  12. 12 J. A. Baker Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Bigotry is kind of a luxury.

    A luxury that is fast becoming unaffordable.

  13. 13 Scary Fundamentalist Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 11:08 am

    if they can’t keep their filth to themselves.

    That is indeed the crux; interestingly, it is exactly what supporters of the DADT policy believed.

    The only thing that changes is each person’s definition of “filth”.

  14. 14 Reality.Bites Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Yes – but hatred of others is filth. Doing evil to others is filth. Trying to destroy the lives of others is filth. Wishing to be free from the hatred of disgusting people like you is not.

    Fundamentalism, to paraphrase the Pope, is objectively evil and disordered. It is filth. It cannot and should not be tolerated. You can have your disgusting, sick, beliefs. You can preach your evil, sick, immoral filth.

    But you can’t do it and be part of society. You’re fucking Nazis.

  15. 15 Scary Fundamentalist Thursday, February 4, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    I love it when the real scary fundamentalists out themselves 😉

  16. 16 Cornelius T.Zen Friday, February 5, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Good morrow, all!
    Scary Fun Dementor: So, which is it? Would you allow openly gay people to serve in the military, or rout them out and keep them out?
    White people strove so mightily to make the native peoples of North America assimilate into their society, in spite of differences in skin color and cultural outlook.
    Gays look like straights, talk like straights, dress like straights and even, for the most part, act like straights. Why not let them serve in the military?
    Point to ponder: the man who taught George Washington’s troops to fight as an effective army was gay. If not for his expertise, you’d be driving on the left side of the road.
    Oscar Victor Echo Romeo Alpha November Delta Oscar Uniform Tango – CTZen

  17. 17 The Maple Bug Friday, February 5, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    You know, I really can’t see any gay person trying to ‘force themselves’ onto a soldier that doesn’t want it.

    Something about being able to fight back just as viciously and effectively.

    Keeping their filth to themselves? I can say quite readily that most gays have no interest in ‘recruiting’, no matter what the fanatical religious zealots scream, and that anyone who listens to the fanatical religious zealots generally IS a fanatical religious zealot and thus should be ignored, though maybe quietly monitored because they are just a half pound of fertilizer and a blasting cap away from being a Christi-jihady terrorist.

  18. 18 Cornelius T.Zen Saturday, February 6, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Good morrow, all!
    If we human beings truly loved one another as some of us believe our God intends, there would be no need for any military of any kind, because there would never be any armed conflict.
    There would be no Us Vs Them, because there would be no Them.
    Those who would willingly take up arms against their brothers and sisters are not worshipping God/Allah/Jehovah. They are worshipping Ares and Hades. I do not believe in any God Who plays favorites. God is supposed to be better, wiser, more understanding than all of us put together. Otherwise, He is in our image, not the other way around.
    Gays are people. They are fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, cousins, they are part of somebody’s family. They belong.
    Better openly gay than openly stupid – CTZen

  19. 19 Scary Fundamentalist Monday, February 8, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    CTZ: In response to your 5-Feb comment:

    To make things clear, I personally have no problem with gays in the military, open or otherwise.

    But, more importantly, I believe that the individual(s) ultimately responsible for organizing the most effective fighting unit should have full control over who is in that unit. Identity politics are for civilians to squabble about in peacetime.

  20. 20 Cornelius T.Zen Monday, February 8, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Good morrow, all!
    Scary Fun Dementor: Glad to hear it.
    BTW, there is no such thing as peacetime. Americans are not happy campers unless they are at war, somewhere. And the rest of humanity appears more than pleased to oblige them. It appears to be the natural state of man, from the first time Og the caveman picked up a rock and pranged the skull of his neighbor Nog.
    Peace, the very concept of it, appears to be a psycho-logical anomaly. Humans say they crave peace, but the sight of another’s blood is what gets us high. It all boils down to fear.
    Only when we master fear, do we begin to master ourselves, and with nothing to fear, or hate, or destroy, Ares will starve.
    Gays are people. They belong everywhere that people belong.
    Face whatever you fear, or fear whatever you face – CTZen


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