Discouraged Dems…

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  1. 1 Kim Sunday, October 17, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Excellent! We need a Canadian one, don’t you think?

  2. 2 Phatbiker Sunday, October 17, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Like I always said, the right-wing fundys ALL vote, if the moderates are apathetic and don’t, the righty’s win. This has distorted politics in the US (maybe Canada too) for years.

  3. 3 Brian Sunday, October 17, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Palin, O’donnel and Beck don’t hope people don’t vote.  How bogus.

    It is only part of the CRA of 1964 that Rand Paul thought was ill advised.

    This video is just propaganda from start to finish.  And that’s what will cheer up discouraged Dems?  Interesting take…

  4. 4 Brian Sunday, October 17, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    This has distorted politics in the US (maybe Canada too) for years.

    People who are passionate about what’s going on going to the polls and those who are not enthused staying home creates a distortion?!?  Maybe you ought to rethink that idea.  That kind of behavior and results is the very thing that makes the process stay near the desires of the electorate.

  5. 5 JJ Monday, October 18, 2010 at 6:45 am

    WooWoo, I knew this would drive Brian batshit insane!

    It is only part of the CRA of 1964 that Rand Paul thought was ill advised.

    Yes but because of that part of it, he would have voted against the act in its entirety.

    This video is just propaganda from start to finish.

    It’s not the sole preserve of the right, you know. Although it can sometimes seem that way 😐

  6. 6 JJ Monday, October 18, 2010 at 6:52 am

    Kim – To be honest, I’m a little ambivalent about voting myself, since it doesn’t seem to change anything and all they do is continually manipulate us by tossing political footballs back and forth.

    But I would probably change my tune if we had candidates as dangerously dumb as Angle and Paladino and O’Donnell.

  7. 7 JJ Monday, October 18, 2010 at 7:03 am

    phatbiker – Indeed, low turnout has always favoured the right. People who are determined to vote, especially in midterm elections which don’t have the same excitement as presidential elections, tend to be more conservative types, especially when the governing party is left-leaning. (But even when the government is right-wing, conservatives are usually more committed to turning out.)

    It would be interesting to see the results of an election that had 90% turnout.

  8. 8 J. A. Baker Monday, October 18, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Yes but because of that part of it, he would have voted against the act in its entirety.

    And not only that, the very reason Rand Paul “thought it was ill-advised” is the very reason why it was necessary. Businesses were discriminating against customers based on race, and because said discrimination was (nearly) universal (especially in the South), there were no free market solutions to the problem.

    Plus, businesses discriminating on the basis of race unduly impinges the rights of the affected to freely patronize whichever businesses they choose, and the government has a positive duty to protect the freedoms of its citizens, so the CRA of 1964 was entirely appropriate.

  9. 9 Torontonian Monday, October 18, 2010 at 9:01 am

    The discouraged voter is a possible reason why
    Rob Ford may become mayor of Toronto.

    After the NDP government, Mike Harris won an
    easy victory because most of the other voters
    were discouraged and upset by the former Rae
    government. Those factors were enough to keep
    many people at home and that’s how Harris won!

    You could say the same for Harper in 2006 and 2008.

    The trouble is that many people are no longer
    “invested” in the public political process.
    What they hear on the news and skim in the
    daily paper is all they need.

    Just listen to *talk radio* , or, more accurately,
    LISTEN radio and what do you hear? Conservative
    *angry taxpayer* rant! Try Global News for size
    and feel the undercurrent of the *angry taxpayer*
    lede or meme in nearly every story.

    If it ain’t instant, nobody wants it nowadays.

    Bring back the Walter Lippmanns of yesteryear.

  10. 10 Dana Monday, October 18, 2010 at 11:58 am

    JJ said “But I would probably change my tune if we had candidates as dangerously dumb as Angle and Paladino and O’Donnell.”

    In all honesty, JJ, I think North America desperately needs a few years of the dumbest, most corrupt people running for office to be in charge of everything. I don’t think the lesson will be learned otherwise. It all needs to fall apart, people need to feel it in their homes and on their streets before they’ll wise up.

  11. 11 J. A. Baker Monday, October 18, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Indeed, low turnout has always favoured the right.

    And the right has known this for a long time – at least since 1980, when Paul Weyrich said this:

    I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.

    It explains a lot of the premature victory dances on the right and the “librul” media’s pushing of the “Republican tidal wave in November” story line.

  12. 12 J. A. Baker Monday, October 18, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Addendum: The above Weyrich quote also explains the GOP’s voter suppression efforts. See Katherine Harris in the 2000 election, Ken Blackwell in the 2004 election, Voters Outreach of America shredding the voter registration forms of Nevada Democrats (also in 2004), and the right’s ACORN Derangement Syndrome the last two years.

  13. 13 J. A. Baker Monday, October 18, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Mistaken link: The link for Ken Blackwell’s Ohio shenanigans actually goes to a similar incident in Florida in 2004. The correct link is here.

  14. 14 fern hill Monday, October 18, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    I live in a bubble of thoughtful, well-informed people. I rarely talk to people outside that bubble.

    I took a cab yesterday. Asked the cabbie if he intended to vote in the (Toronto) municipal election next week. He said he didn’t care. I said if you don’t vote, you can’t complain. I think that was a new thought for him.

    OTOH, yeah, Rob Ford and Merkin teabaggers would be huge amusement and huge wakey-wakey as Dana alludes to.

  15. 15 JJ Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Torontonian

    The discouraged voter is a possible reason why
    Rob Ford may become mayor of Toronto.

    That situation is nothing short of mindblowing. I was under the impression that even conservative mayoral candidates in Toronto were usually fairly liberal (ie. John Tory, who was absolutely hated by socons). I would have thought Smitherman would be a shoo-in. Maybe there’s too much division on the progressive side?

  16. 16 JJ Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Dana

    It all needs to fall apart, people need to feel it in their homes and on their streets before they’ll wise up.

    That idea has occurred to me, though more in the context of the US than Canada. I understand that US progressives are disappointed in Obama but like Bill Maher said, “There’s a big difference between a disappointing friend and a deadly enemy”. (I guess maybe I should listen to that advice myself.)

    But you’re right: I sometimes think that what it would take to smarten people up is if a whole slate of teabaggers got elected, social security checks stopped arriving and medicare became a thing of the past. That would get their attention.

  17. 17 JJ Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 8:02 am

    JAB – I hear the most recent attempt at voter suppression is targeted against Latino voters: “Don’t vote, that will send congress a message” 😯

  18. 18 JJ Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 8:16 am

    fern hill

    I live in a bubble of thoughtful, well-informed people. I rarely talk to people outside that bubble.

    It’s a good idea to venture outside the bubble every so often, very instructive. I do it every day (it’s my job), which is probably why I’m seldom surprised when polls continually put the CPC ahead despite what we see as overwhelming evidence that their government is a sleazy, reactionary shitpile.

    The average person just isn’t all that concerned with a lot of the issues that are important to progressives. Of course, they’re concerned when they stop having those rights, when the cops detain them for no reason, etc. But in this kind of bad economy, it has to come right to their front door before they’re concerned about it.

    Which doesn’t mean they don’t have concerns, or that their concerns aren’t valid, and that’s where many progressives make the mistake of belittling the average Canadian. Iggy was onto something with his bus tour.

  19. 19 fern hill Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Well, I do lurk a lot — probably too much — in the darker corners of the blogosphere. But I assume those people are extremists.

    BTW, I saw my first ‘Rob Ford for Mayor’ on a house’s fence in downtown Toronto today. On the other hand, I haven’t seen many Smitherman or Pantalone signs either.

  20. 20 JJ Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    fern hill -Haha, the dark side draws us in like moths to the flame. But I agree that most of those people are pretty out there on the fringe.

    Ford for Mayor — in downtown Toronto?? 😯 I’m gobsmacked. There’s gotta be something else going on, like all the candidates are so bad that nobody cares.

  21. 21 fern hill Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Yabbut just the one. In a kinda disadvantaged neighbourhood, to use the jargon.

    I saw my first ‘Rob Ford for Mayor’ bumper sticker on a black Humvee with heavily tinted windows. Made sense to me. . .

  22. 22 Bleatmop Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    When is that election in TO anyway? I tried some google searches but came up with nothing.

    BTW, I’m very proud that (the nearest urban center to me) Calgary has rejected both the far right candidate and the moderate conservative for the out and out liberal, religious minority and visible minority Naheed Nenshi. All this despite some eastern newspapers all but anointing Ric McIver mayor months ago in a scare tactic comparing him with Ford.

    Things just may be looking up for progressives in Alberta. Wildrose Alliance taking all the crazy and letting the provincial PCs shift dramatically to the center. Progressive mayors in the two biggest cities. Now if there were only a progressive option to vote for federally then things would be golden.

  23. 23 fern hill Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Municipal elections in Ontario next Monday, Oct. 25.

    Yeah, I heard Nenshi interviewed on The Current this a.m. Impressive sounding guy.

  24. 24 J. A. Baker Wednesday, October 20, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    I hear the most recent attempt at voter suppression is targeted against Latino voters: “Don’t vote, that will send congress a message”

    Yeah, I heard about that. Apparently the ads were targeted against Latinos in Nevada. Gee, I wonder why the GOP thought they needed to suppress the Latino vote in Nevada… 🙄

    They’ll stop at nothing to regain power. It’s disgusting, and frankly, a little scary.

  25. 25 Cornelius T. Zen Thursday, October 21, 2010 at 7:19 am

    Good morrow, all!
    Somewhere, somebody wrote a book called “Politics For Dummies” – and the Tea Party took the title to heart.
    If you ever get the chance, read a Cyril Kornbluth story called “The Marching Morons”. Then, watch the news. I don’t see a difference – do you see a difference?
    Re: Christine O’Donnell and masturbation: Guys, given the choice between pleasuring yourself, and doing Christine O’Donnell, what do you figure? Throw a flag over her and do it for America? Wear a star-spangled condom? Say, didn’t Stephen King write a book about her?
    Stupid is the AIDS of politics – and it’s catching – CTZen

  26. 26 JJ Thursday, October 21, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    CTZen – Thanks for the heads up on that essay! I downloaded it and will print it out and read it tonight with my milk & cookies. (Maybe I should add a little tequila to the milk?)

  27. 27 JJ Thursday, October 21, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    JAB

    They’ll stop at nothing to regain power. It’s disgusting, and frankly, a little scary.

    I don’t blame you for being a little scared, dude. I’ve been following US politics since the Nixon administration, and I can honestly tell you that I’ve never seen anything like what’s going on right now. It’s like a boiling pot on the stove, just about to over flow.

  28. 28 J. A. Baker Saturday, October 23, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Guys, given the choice between pleasuring yourself, and doing Christine O’Donnell, what do you figure?

    I’ll be in my bunk. 😈


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