Oh please

In what deranged, demented, scum-ridden universe is this the equivalent of this?

I haven’t read up on this Electoral Fraud thing that has apparently been perpetrated enough to make any in-depth comments on it.  However, I do know that a campaign of calls purposely directing people to the wrong polling station isn’t even in the same ballpark (or the same series, or even the same sport for that matter) as calls that simply state the on-the-record position of a candidate.

Ugh.  Quickly quickly now please: make haste and get me the Febreze®.  The fetid stench of CPC desperation is stinking up my entire office…

(h/t: DJ)

35 Responses to “Oh please”

  1. 1 Peaceful Social Worker Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Wouldn’t you just love it if just once, the CPC actually responded to something without blaming “the previous government”, “The Liberals”…..or whatever group they happen to choose. I personally will fall off the chair if they ever say something different…even a “we’ll look into it” would be nice. My MP tried to assure me that the robocalls thing was all cleared up. He stated “we didn’t do it…..air cleared”…… :-\

  2. 2 Phatbiker Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    The Tory’s are pointing fingers at everyone but themselves, making out that their as pure as the driven snow. The righties feel that it is their divine right and duty (for Jesus) to rule our country for our own good and anything they do to make that happen is acceptable.

  3. 3 cityprole Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    They do seem to feel a sense of entitlement out of all proportion to the 40% of those that voted who supposedly voted for them..i’m starting to doubt the actual results, never mind the fact that many did not get to vote (for anybody but the Supposi-Tories) or were misdirected to a nonexistent voting place…
    Happened to me once back in the day, and i got so depressed about where I actually was supposed to go and vote that I gave up and went home, first time in my life that I didn’t vote..
    If someone as determined as I am gets discouraged, imagine what it is like if someone convinces you, finally, to do the right thing and vote and you get sent on a goose-chase..it’s no wonder that so many younger people think that voting is a joke, and can’t be bothered…
    This not only falsifies the results of the election, but it is a nail in the coffin of democracy…the fix is in kids, now what are you gonna do about it?..Just what I thought….
    According to the polls, the Tories are riding high these days…go figure…

  4. 4 Noni Mausa Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    “Wouldn’t you just love it if just once…”

    No, they won’t because they have seen that, as infuriating as it is, it is a strategy that is solidly effective.

    NEVER take the blame. NEVER negotiate. ALWAYS blame someone else, even if the rationale is irrationale.

    It’s a collection of strategies that together subvert the whole concept of dealing in good faith. They don’t give a damn about good faith.

    What H has accomplished in his 8 years has been to hammer the strategies so solidly into his people that they smoothly evade any possibility of engaging anybody in good faith. It is that, even more than his policies, that dangs him to heck.


  5. 5 fhg1893 Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    ~40% was what Chretien got. Can we get a “do-over” for those years please? Can we reverse the “Decade of Darkness” for the Canadian Forces? Can we get back the good and decent family-men that were lost in unsafe Sea King helicopters when they just fell out of the sky? Can we get the money back in penalties when that helicopter contract was canceled? Can we get two-billion dollars back for a Liberal zombie albatross that just won’t die? Can we get the money back for ad-scam? Can we try that whole referendum thing again, maybe give the people of Quebec the opportunity to express their democratic will without crass manipulation by Ottawa?

    Can we get a do-over for the Chretien years? No?

    How about the Trudeau years? You know, who also formed government with ~40% of the popular vote, can we do those over and maybe FIX the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and give it teeth please? No either?

    Well, I’ll tell you what. How about you Liberals quit whining about the 40% of the vote, it’s tired, it’s ridiculous, and nobody is listening at this point. You wanna whine about 40%? I’ll make you a deal right now. You agree to recognize Canadian citizen’s ight to be armed as guaranteed by Magna Carta, including conceal-carry weapon (training and certification mandatory of course) and we Conservatives will agree that you can declare any government which fails to get 50%+ of the popular vote invalid. Incidentally, the last two governments that got that? Brian Mulroney, and John Diefenbaker. Trudeau never achieved that much.

    Or alternately, you can have a “do-over” of the 2011 election, in fact the whole country gets a “do-over” in 2015.

    Robo-calls. Yeah. They suck. I’m with Brian Lilley, 100%. If Elections Canada ever finds out who did it, prosecute. If they’re found guilty, throw them in jail. It really is that simple.


    Until we get the results of Election’s Canada’s investigation, then all of this finger-pointing is further poisoning our political discourse. And the finger-pointers-in-chief so far have been the Liberals, the NDP, the Bloc Quebecois, and Elizabeth May. Perhaps they are justified. But right now, we don’t know that.

    Next time you complain about “American-style” polemic creeping into our politics, maybe you should check the mirror, and watch the words coming out of your mouth. Mmmkay?

  6. 6 rww Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    It’s the same old talking points as the prorogation argument that the Liberal using prorogation appropriately is equivalent to the HarperCons abusing the process.

    Lets put it in simpler terms. It is OK for campaign workers to talk to voters. It is not OK for them to lie to them.

  7. 7 JJ Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Yeah, I remember when they first took power it was “the previous government” this and “the previous government” that and I thought “I wonder how long they’ll flog that dead horse.”
    6 years, it turns out.

  8. 8 JJ Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Unfortunately the notion that whatever the government foists on us is ‘for our own good’ isn’t the sole preserve of conservatives: the Liberal Party has the same attitude when they’re in office. It seems to come with the territory.

    But, on this particular issue, the government really does seem to be trying to sleaze out of it. It sounds serious enough that it should at least be investigated (which I understand Elections Canada is doing). If there was any wrongdoing, I want to see a perp walk.

  9. 9 JJ Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Well, that’s the absurdity of our “first past the post”, multi-party system. Whoever can get 40% will always have a majority because under that system 40% is more votes than any other single party gets.

    I actually don’t doubt the results at all — it stands to reason after 4 years in minority government, enough additional voters would be convinced that the CPC isn’t the Talibangelist nightmare that they were afraid of in the past, and vote for the devil they think they know rather than the one they don’t.

  10. 10 JJ Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Whew, fhg 😛

    I’ve asked other prog bloggers that question before: how come 40% is bad now but it was okay for Chretien? (I like consistency.)

    From what I can surmise what gets people on the left bent out of shape about the 40% conservative “majority” is that the other 60% are all more or less “progressive” parties that have more in common with each other than with the conservatives. So that 60% of the vote is thought of as if it’s one non-conservative entity, when really it’s not: the NDP and the Liberals are quite different, and of course the BQ doesn’t even want to be part of Canada. But, since they’re all progressive parties I think the attitude is “anyone but the conservatives”, and that’s why people dwell on the 40%.

    Anyway, I still haven’t read a lot about this issue, but from what I’ve seen so far the conservatives are doing their fair share of fingerpointing. And I think people are worried that if they don’t keep this issue front & center, it will get swept away, therefore there’s a lot of noise about it right now.

  11. 11 cityprole Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    By the way, who is your Taranna friend who keeps wanting to turn this into 1975 again?

  12. 12 Peaceful Social Worker Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    Yep. And so it continues in a different form…

  13. 13 JJ Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    My Toronto friend… 1975… this sounds familiar, but give me another hint. I’m going senile, remember? 😛

  14. 14 JJ Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    That’s been their strategy right from the start, no compromise, never debate in good faith, and it’s worked well for them. It’s really been kind of amazing to watch how successful they’ve been with a strategy that seems a little ridiculous at first glance.

  15. 15 JJ Saturday, March 10, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Well exactly. Talking is okay, bullshitting is not. Pretty straightforward.

  16. 16 bleatmop Sunday, March 11, 2012 at 4:35 am

    I figure the CPC has another term or two of acting like the old Chretien LPC arrogant thugs before people get sick of them and vote for someone new again. Its probably not going to be the LPC though if they keep going at the same rate. They still haven’t learned their lessons yet either as many in their ranks still consider them the rightful rulers of Canada.

    Its a funny place this Canada, where the two ruling parties expect your vote and get pissed off if you dare vote for someone else.

  17. 17 fhg1893 Sunday, March 11, 2012 at 5:14 am

    Ausual, I don’t disagree with you JJ. I guess that there’s really a simple solution: merge. When vote-splitting was holding back the right-wing, the right-wing parties got together and agreed that what tied them together was stronger than what was tearing them apart. If the Liberals and the NDP merged, then they’d probably be able to defeat the Conservatives.

    Of course, I also think that the Liberals are too arrogant to do anything like that at the moment – me thinks they need to lose a few more elections before they’ll be willing to entertain the idea of merging with the NDP. And the NDP, never having been in Government probably isn’t ready to throw in the towel either. They probably think that the NDP should get at least one kick at the can before they join the Liberals.

    The Conservatives have been mostly on the defensive, though yes, they’ve been quite willing to point fingers in recent days. I can’t help but think that they wouldn’t have done so if it wasn’t for the Liberals and the NDP making noise about this.

    I also don’t think that this is going to be swept under the rug – I think the results of the Elections Canada investigation will be most telling. There’s been a lot of blathering about Guelph, and as has been discovered, the Liberals, who won Guelph by ~4000 votes may have broken two election laws. Based on that, it sounds like whoever was responsible in Frank Valeriote’s campaign, including Frank Valeriote himself if he bears the responsibility should face prosecution. If found guilty, punish the guilty. A fine may be an appropriate punishment, I don’t know.

    There was also an illegal poll conducted at the University of Guelph I believe which was allowed to stand, when it clearly should have been disallowed.

    And then there’s the robocalls. Smart-money seems to be on a Conservative rogue at this point. But then again, Conservative supporters got those calls as well. Hopefully, Elections Canada finds the person soon, and when they do, prosecute. Even if it’s the Prime Minister himself.

    My point is that robocalls were hardly the only shenanigans going on in Guelph, and that’s only the incidents that I’m aware of, there could well be a few more that have yet to see the light of day. Anybody and everybody who screwed with voters should face prosecution, and punishment if they’re found guilty.

    There’s also an interesting possibility which nobody has considered yet: Pierre Poutine may well have had no partisan affiliation. It’s entirely possible that this was orchestrated by some sort of anarchist, or perhaps a group of anarchists who simply wanted to spread some chaos. I admit, that seems pretty unlikely, but it’s possible. And indeed, if Guelph was won by the Liberals by ~4000 votes, then doesn’t it stand to reason that a greater proportion of those who received robocalls would be Liberal supporters, just statistically? I believe it does. So, as long as there’s the possibility that someone who had no party affiliation is responsible for this, then I think I’m quite right to say that we don’t have enough facts at the moment to start making accusations – and that any sort of direct accusations will only further polarize the toxic atmosphere that dominates our political discourse. And as such, people who complain about our toxic political atmosphere, like, say, the Progressive Bloggers, have nobody to blame for it but themselves, and the people that they support.

  18. 18 cityprole Sunday, March 11, 2012 at 8:49 am

    ROFL..when I can remember how…
    The person who keeps interjecting here re Ont doings or Chretien, etc, as if the topic at hand doesn’t exist…
    On the other hand, maybe you aren’t senile, I’m just hallucinating..:|

  19. 19 JJ Sunday, March 11, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Hey– long time no talk 😉 😛

    You must mean fhg 😛 I have just a few regular conservative commenters (as opposed to the trolls who occasionally show up) and they’re a prized commodity around here because they keep the place from being an echo chamber. Whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant, I like to see different views. I find regular exposure to different opinions keeps me honest, makes me think outside the box. Sometimes I even learn something 😉 and sometimes 😯 I’m even forced to re-examine my position because I find these opposing views make some sense.

    But I suspect that conservative commenters have a hard time finding lefty blogs that will tolerate them, or respond to them as anything other than trolls, let alone consider their views as valid as anyone else’s. So when they do find one, they sometimes unload their frustration with the left with both barrels 😆 Which is okay with me. I get to learn stuff from them that I wouldn’t have otherwise, so it’s a win-win IMO.

    This blog is a space of Diversity and Tolerance! 😎 😛

  20. 20 JJ Sunday, March 11, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    If the opposition had a viable candidate I don’t think it would take that long. (Another term or — gasp — two 😯 what are you trying to do, cause a collective nervous breakdown in the progressive blogosphere??)

    Besides no viable candidates that get people excited to vote for them, there’s the LPC’s attitude problem… that the electorate is a bunch of dimwits who don’t know what’s good for them. That’ll be a hard habit to break.

  21. 21 JJ Sunday, March 11, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    It’s entirely possible that this was orchestrated by some sort of anarchist, or perhaps a group of anarchists

    Oooh, I like that one. But it’s not likely.

    There’s another possibility, as far as the polling stations go… Hanlon’s Razor! 😆 “Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence” (or words to that effect). I used to work in the Elections Canada office (not as a poll clerk but in the actual office where they made the decisions about poll locations), and I know for a fact that polling places sometimes get FUBAR and change at the last minute. So there’s that… but it doesn’t look like that’s what this was.

  22. 22 cityprole Sunday, March 11, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Your red panties are showing..and yes, the left does (usually) have a monopoly on diversity and tolerance…but then, I’m way Left of left so not sticking to the subject is something that gets my red knickers in a bit of a twist..okay, your blog, your rules, you tyrant…♥

  23. 23 fhg1893 Monday, March 12, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Oh, I know that nothing runs perfectly, especially such a hotly contested federal election. What gets me are these calls that irregularities or “dirty tricks” in some ridings must mean that the entire election is somehow invalid, and because of that, we need to have another one.




    Excuse me? Am I the only one who finds that completely absurd? If it’s found that the Tories were responsible for the robocalls in Guelph, do we really need to have a by-election when the Liberals won by ~4000 votes!? I don’t think that by-elections are out of the question in very close races, if there’s proof of fraud. But a whole new election less than 12 months after the last one? Elections Canada doesn’t doubt the election results, despite irregularities and alleged dirty tricks – why then do the Liberals and the NDP have a problem? This campaign to “restore democracy” can only be Liberal and NDP sour-grapes – and I’m being extremely generous here. A less-generous would be called an attempt at a coup.

    I see this campaign as little more than an extremely transparent partisan charade. Some people aren’t happy with the government we have. Fine. Criticizing the government is entirely correct, and you should know that when I think the government does something bad, I bloody-well say so.

    But new elections because you don’t like the result of the last one? And this is democratic?

    The right has a theory about this kind of thing, and it’s not very flattering for the left. Now, knowing that both right and left have a tendency to overstate things, I’m trying to remain skeptical. But the evidence is starting to mount. And that’s not a good thing for ANYBODY.

  24. 24 fhg1893 Monday, March 12, 2012 at 7:43 am

    te left does (usually) have a monopoly on diversity and tolerance

    That’s ridiculous. Montreal Simon and others have slammed JJ for taking a stand that runs contrary to accepted leftist dogma. If the left is so tolerant, wouldn’t they try listening to her, maybe responding constructively, maybe have a discussion? You’d think so, but that’s not what happened.

    JJ PRACTICES the tolerance and diversity that the rest of the left tries to claim. Just ask ck just how proud she is of banning me, of silencing me, for daring to disagree with her.

    The RIGHT is more tolerant of diversity these days than the left. And before you start, I fully acknowledge that the right is far from perfect, and right is entirely capable of saying some extremely intolerant things. But when it comes to ideas, the right is the bastion of freedom of speech. The left- JJ excepted- is not. And the evidence of leftist intolerance is overwhelming.

  25. 25 fhg1893 Monday, March 12, 2012 at 7:56 am

    An excellent example of leftist (in)tolerance starts at: ~10:40

    A more accurate translation of Alexandre Boulerice’s comments:

    “Madam Speaker, I have had the distinct displeasure of listening to the most ridiculous, disgusting and blatantly ideological speech that I have heard in the House of Commons since May 2 of last year. It is absolutely appalling. I hope that, at the very least, my colleague removed the National Rifle Association logo from her speech, because that is what we are talking about today. When people talk about the Americanization of Canadian politics under the Conservative government, that is exactly what is going on here.

    Can the member explain why police officers tell us that the registry is useful and practical and saves lives? The Conservatives want to raise cash by playing politics with this issue, and now they think they can teach us a lesson or two with an utterly ridiculous speech.”

    Source: http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=1&DocId=5364852#Int-6527726

    That’s funny. I didn’t think that an accurate listing of the way that the Firearms Act violates the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, toothless though it may be, was “ridiculous,” “disgusting,” or “ideological.” In fact, if there’s any place where the rights of Canadians SHOULD be discussed, I would HOPE that the House of Commons is that place!

    But apparently, not according to M. Boulerice.

  26. 26 JJ Wednesday, March 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    It’s starting to look pretty bad, but it almost looks so bad that I’m starting to wonder if the CPC could be dumb enough to hire someone that would do it so incompetently.

    Having said that, their fingerpointing at Liberal calls that were nothing but statements of a candidate’s position is ridiculous. It has precisely nothing in common with calls allegedly made to direct voters to the wrong polling places. I mean, seriously…

  27. 27 JJ Wednesday, March 14, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    I should watch CPAC more often.

    Well, when it comes to the hot-button issues that the two sides disagree on vehemently, the rhetoric will always be a little over the top… Harpie’s gang does it too, nobody has a monopoly on it. It’s more or less what I’ve come to expect from our elected officials 🙄 Question Period should be re-named The Morning Zoo.

    The free speech issue is kind of a joke on both sides: I’m a free speech absolutist — sunshine is the best disinfectant, and all that — and from where I sit, nobody except libertarians truly supports free expression.

    Lately the right has been making a fairly good go of talking up the free speech issue, at least better than the left, but its socially conservative faction would be all too happy to have the state tell everyone what they can read, watch etc. (It breaks me up to see someone like Charles McVety claiming to be a supporter of free speech — his idea of free speech is the freedom to be able to slag gay people, and that’s about where it ends for him. When it comes to watching porn or other personal decisions adults can make for themselves, he wants the long arm of the state right in there pasting black tape over everyone’s eyes and mouths and other miscellaneous body parts).

    Having said that, I may not be the paragon of tolerance you give me credit for: I have banned 4 commenters. One was a 9/11 Troofer, one was Patrick Ross (self-explanatory), and the other two were just trolls who hung around for months being idiots and finally wore out my patience. In all cases I gave them time-outs first, but when that didn’t settle them down I had to get out the ban hammer. I hate swinging the ban-hammer, but some people are just so disruptive that they start wrecking the ambience around here 😛 😆 and I have to give them the boot.

  28. 28 fhg1893 Wednesday, March 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Except for the fact that 1) not clearly stating that a call is from the Liberal party is against the law, 2) claiming a false-identity on the phone is also against the law. Frank Valeriote knew about both, and as such, he should face prosecution.

    So, other than the fact that the Liberal calls appear to have broken the law, I suppose there’s nothing in common. 😀

  29. 29 JJ Wednesday, March 14, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Didn’t realize that: I thought it was ID’d.

  30. 30 fhg1893 Thursday, March 15, 2012 at 4:41 am

    Well, nobody has a monopoly on truth, and I don’t live in Guelph. I only know what I’ve read about it.

    And what the Liberals did in no way excuses what could be a campaign of voter-suppression.

    Speaking of which, I have confidence that whoever is responsible is going to be found – it seems like this “Pierre Poutine” made enough mistakes that it hasn’t been too hard tracking them down.

    What is turning out to be more intriguing is the media’s role in all of this. Glen McGregor is known to Conservatives for having a heavy Liberal bias. Robocalls was known during the election, and it’s only come up now, why? Some Conservatives have suggested that it’s to take the focus away from the Vikileaks controversy – which is now turning into a flouting of democracy, the staffer is refusing to appear before the committee where he’s been summoned. In any case, I can appreciate that the situation is serious, but the left has largely tried to make a lot of hay out of this scandal, but it sounds um… forced? To rephrase, it’s certainly serious and warrants attention, but I can’t believe it’s such a big deal as to warrant a public inquiry or a Royal Commission. And in the background, all along, carefully stoking the flames of this thing all along have been two men, Glen McGregor and Stephen Maher. What does that have to do with anything? Well, when the government was doing something that Glen McGregor didn’t like, Glen McGregor did this: http://afewtastefulsnaps.net/?p=1365

    And he’s still stirring up scandal. Something’s rotten in all of this, and I’m thinking it’s someone with an ax to grind… Someone like a yellow Ottawa Citizen journalist.

  31. 31 fhg1893 Thursday, March 15, 2012 at 6:08 am

    McVety and I don’t agree on much. If he said the sky was blue, I think I’d have to check to make sure.

    I guess it’s the peril of being joined-at-the-hip with an historical text which may, or may not have any relation to what’s going in the present. Remembering history is supposed to prevent people from making the same mistakes, not encourage them to keep making them.

    I’m on the side of liberty and freedom, every time. As much as possible. I confess, that’s not always easy, but I heard you like consistency. 😀

    As for comments, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that they contribute SOMETHING. Even if it’s mostly meandering, tl:dr right-wing meditation. 😀 At least that stuff is modestly interesting…

    *gasp* You mean you don’t believe that 9/11 was an inside job? j/k. What difference would it make? Getting bin Ladden wasn’t all bad. Afghanistan was a pretty screwed up place until lately – still is in some ways. Though, if the US pulls out, it will almost certainly revert back, at least it has some hope for a future beyond being a backwards medieval theocracy that stones women to death for the audacity of having been raped. Anyway. If your only issue is that 9/11 was an inside job, then I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask that a person get their own blog.

    I guess it would depend on what Ross was saying, but from what I understand, yeah, it is pretty self-explanatory.

    And as for trolls, well, you did the right thing. Some people just live to destroy. Like me, only I try to restrict myself to waterfowl, wild turkey, clay disks, white-tail deer, and left-wing self-delusions. 😀

  32. 32 JJ Thursday, March 15, 2012 at 10:50 am

    fhg (I think this is posted in the wrong place, since there was no reply button with your post 😕 )

    If your only issue is that 9/11 was an inside job, then I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask that a person get their own blog.

    Yeah, I don’t mind people airing their half-baked conspiracy theories here, but not the same comments cut and pasted over & over & over & over again. At that point, it’s time to kick ass (out the door).

    I guess it would depend on what Ross was saying

    I gave Patrick many time-outs before I finally booted him for good, because as much of a pain in the ass as he could be at times, I actually liked the guy and sometimes he added to the conversation. But I can be held responsible for any libelous comments that appear here, and frankly, I don’t have the time to scour the comments looking for stuff like that.

    …and left-wing self-delusions.

    Keep up the good work 😛 😉

  33. 33 JJ Thursday, March 15, 2012 at 11:08 am

    fhg (Once again, there’s no reply with your post so I’m posting this comment in the wrong place, sorry.)

    When this is all said & done, what really happened here may surprise everyone 😯

    That said, I hate it when people respond to getting caught at some wrongdoing by whining “But look what they did!” and that seems to be what the conservatives are doing here. What “they” did doesn’t make the first wrongdoing any less wrong. Unfortunately this is a universal response to getting pinched that has no ideological bias, I see it just as much on the left as on the right.

    People need to stop whining and start taking responsibility. The world would be a better place. Harrumph.

    /rant 😛 😆

  34. 34 fhg1893 Thursday, March 15, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Well, I’m sorry if I come across as trying to shift blame; that’s not the intent. I like perspective. And this idea that somehow Canadian Democracy its self is under attack seems pretty self-serving. Political hyperbole is nothing new, but the Liberals seem… just so unhinged lately. I understand opposition, but they’ve been almost wing-nutty lately. Anyway, I’m not trying to say that this isn’t serious, I’m appealing for calm and trying to stick to the facts where they’re known.

    And I’ll say it again: if the Prime Minister himself is responsible, prosecute the S.O.B. But if the Conservatives really are as clean as the virgin snow, then their response may be appropriate. Time will tell. It always does.

    But at the same time, I’m noticing some stuff that smells like shenanigans. And, as I think you understood,the point I’m making is that “It’s a transformer baby! More than meets the eye.” Which I think, is a perfectly reasonable point to make given the circumstances.

  35. 35 fhg1893 Thursday, March 15, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Speaking of robots:


    Though, a much more entertaining headline would be: Evil NRA Robots making prank phone-calls cost Mark Holland the Election. 😀

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