If you’re going to write about the Trayvon Martin case, at least pretend to care enough to get the dead kid’s name right:
“Trevyor”? Twice??
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Dear Rex Murphy/National Post
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unrepentant old hippie 
Looks like they fixed one of the Trevyors…….
Rex Martin is one of the things about Canadian culture that leave me thinking that it might not be all that rosy up here after all. Australia has Alan Jones, a pompous Sydney talkback radio host, but he’s widely ridiculed. Yet Rex has his high perch on the Post, and I don’t seem him slagged all that much (thanks to Canada’s print media monopoly.) I’ll leave off media criticism of the U.S., since that fool’s paradise is beyond belief.
The comments below that are a cesspool of whitepower ‘no, *we’re* the victims here’ puling led by the ever able ‘sassylassie’. It instantly turned into anti-Obama, anti-progressive, anti-reality ranting about the tyranny of black folks over suffering righteous paleskins.
I’m not sure why it surprises me they’re so honest and open with their rage, but the fact they’re Canadian but want so VERY badly to be Americans makes me want to escort them to the border and hope they enjoy their new home.
The fact Mr Rex can sit and blather in sober concern about how being of Hispanic heritage makes the murder automatically NOT a hate crime and NOT racist baffles me, but perhaps I’ve read more stories of the rifts between Hispanic and AfricanAmerican communities in the US on the grounds of ‘race’. That doesn’t even touch on whether the shooter identifies as ‘white’ and is accepted in a ‘white’ community.
Also, in scoffing at the existence of ‘white Hispanic’, Mr. Rex certainly is playing the glibly oblivious provincial hick card. Spaniards are ‘white Hispanic’, nevermind that ‘white’ has interesting shifts in meaning in Central and South America, let alone the US.
Sorry, I should say *some* Spaniards are ‘white Hispanic’, since their population is also multicultural.
Maybe it’s a different article, the one I linked to still has both spelling mistakes.
Spelling mistakes in the kid’s name, good grief. 🙄
Hi Bukko!!
It’s weird… I seem to recall Rex Martin being a little more moderate back in the day, more like a Liberal centrist, but over the last decade he’s gone wingnutty. I guess they adjust their political stances depending on the editorial stance of whatever paper they’re writing for. Our liberal media! So fearless.
Hi Niles
Oh barf. I can’t even stand to read the comments at the NatPo any more, they’re so goofy. I used to get a laugh out of them, now they just irritate me.
Rex is parroting what NP readers want, anything that will excuse or deny racism. This was so obviously a racist hate crime, I don’t see how anyone with half a brain could read about it and not see that.
Good point.
I totally agree. I think it was the same article, with one mistake fixed. It was still wrong in one spot, and that is not cool. Sheesh.
This was so obviously a racist hate crime, I don’t see how anyone with half a brain could read about it and not see that.
JJ – you’d better check your facts again.
NBC has been caught doctoring the 911 tape. ABC has suddenly found that Zimmerman was in fact showing signs of injury that night in the police station.
Don’t bet the rest of your brain so casually, so far, those odds are against you.
Hi fhg, sorry for the late reply. I had to trash your other comment, since I can’t change the usernames. But I’m assuming that’s okay.
Regarding this not being a hate crime, I don’t know fhg… “fucking coon”? If that’s a term of endearment, it’s a new one on me.
As for Zimmerman’s injuries, I don’t doubt that he was injured. If I was facing down someone with a gun with only a can of ice tea to protect myself, I think I’d be using it to bash his head in, or anything else I could do to neutralize him. To me it looks like this guy started an altercation with this kid so he’d be able to shoot him and use the stand your ground law to hide behind. As you know, I am not opposed to “stand your ground” type laws, but people like Zimmerman abuse them and make life difficult for people like me, who would not abuse them. So I don’t have much sympathy for Zimmerman.
JJ – Just delete everything, I’ll re-post it. – kept a copy 😀 It’s my e-mail addy I’m worried about. Damned typos…
“Fucking coons” – Remember when I said check your facts, or something to that effect?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2125856/Trayvon-Martin-case-Neighbourhood-watchman-did-NOT-utter-racial-slur-shooting-black-teen.html
The danger of dwelling too much on a single word, which may or may not be the least bit relevant.
If I was facing down someone with a gun with only a can of ice tea to protect myself,
Except that Trayvon didn’t have to face anyone down – if Trayvon had simply left the area, he’d almost certainly be alive today, with no more than a cursory questioning by police. The facts seem to clearly show from the 911 call- all of it, not the edited version that the media has been playing that Zimmerman actually abandoned his pursuit of Trayvon when the dispatcher advised him to stop.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/02/911-call-shows-zimmerman-stopped-following-martin-after-dispatchers-request-corroborates-story/
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You’ve stated that you used to run marathons JJ. Does a presumably out of shape guy like Zimmerman somehow stop breathing heavily while running after someone who just on cursory examination would be in much better shape? After Zimmerman leaves his vehicle, you can plainly hear sounds of pursuit, but shortly after the dispatcher tells him to stop pursuing, those sounds stop.
To me it looks like this guy started an altercation with this kid so he’d be able to shoot him and use the stand your ground law to hide behind.
That’s certainly the narrative that the media has been pushing. But when one digs into the facts even slightly, it starts to completely fall apart.
The 911 call makes it pretty damned clear that Trayvon had through some means or another managed to give Zimmerman the slip, at least temporarily. If that was the case, as the evidence suggests, why didn’t Trayvon simply go home? If he was returning from 7-11, as has been asserted repeatedly why give yourself up only to die a few hundred feet from safety?
When he comes across Zimmerman, he runs away before he’s even said two words to Zimmerman. Why would he do that, if his intentions were entirely innocent?
Can we conclude definitively that he gave Zimmerman the slip? Pretty much. There’s no shouting on the 9-11 tape for Trayvon to stop or anything. In fact, at one point, Zimmerman states that he doesn’t know where Trayvon had gone, and based on the location of the shooting, the evidence strongly suggests that Zimmerman was on his way back towards his truck at the time of the incident, shortly after completing the 911 call.
Combine a map of the area, with known locations, and there’s only two possible scenarios. Either Zimmerman somehow managed to re-establish contact with Trayvon, managed to provoke a confrontation, and murdered Martin, or Zimmerman was telling the truth, that he was attacked, and the shooting was self-defense.
The former seems unlikely given the facts. Unusually cold rainstorm? Why continue the pursuit in such adverse conditions, when you know that help is on the way? Just to shoot some kid?
And there’s one more thing, and it’s probably most damning for Trayvon: the police report. In order for this to be a hate-crime, the police would have to be lying about the grass-stains on Zimmerman’s back, and the injuries he sustained.
Click to access 69081607-29132322.pdf
I don’t care who started what. If Zimmerman was lying on the ground, he was under attack. If he had already drawn his gun, how on earth did he end up on the ground without firing a shot? Especially seeing as it was a Kel-Tec PF-9. with no external safety – point and shoot. No stray shots? The only possible conclusion is that Zimmerman did not draw the firearm until he was on the ground. That can only mean that he was attacked. That can only mean that the “stand your ground” law actually doesn’t apply. And it can only mean that this wasn’t a hate crime.
If I understand the right-wing narrative of this story, it’s basically that Trayvon Martin, The Gangsta, armed to the teeth with a bag of Skittles & a can of Ice Tea, chased this guy who had a gun and made him feel threatened enough to shoot. 🙄 If Zimmerman is that much of a paranoid pussy that he’s scared of a kid with candy, I would suggest that he’s probably not qualified to handle firearms.
As for Zimmerman’s injuries, fuck yeah, no kidding. I’d injure him too if he was waving a gun around and pointing it at me. I’d give him the can of ice tea upside the head.
I truly do not understand why virtually everyone on the right, no matter how rational they normally are, has gone hair-on-fire crazy and is hell-bent on demonizing this kid who was clearly shot dead for the crime of Walking Home From The Store While Black.
Half-marathons. 13 miles (22 km) was enough for me: at that distance it’s still fun, and the training is still doable while also having a life.
As for the chase, it’s hard to say when it started and how fast everyone was moving. The kid was apparently on the phone with his girlfriend for part of it (there’s proof), so I’d say not too fast at first. Zimmerman was basically stalking the kid.
Which is the question to me: WTF was GZ doing following this kid around in the first place? The kid was on his way home. It appears that he wasn’t doing anything weirder than any other teenager does on his way home from the store. If Zimmerman saw him doing something criminal, he would have let that be known by now.
I’m not any crazier about identity politics than you are, but I can’t help thinking that if Trayvon had been white, none of this would have happened.
If I understand the right-wing narrative of this story, it’s basically that Trayvon Martin, The Gangsta, armed to the teeth with a bag of Skittles & a can of Ice Tea, chased this guy who had a gun and made him feel threatened enough to shoot.
I understand that there are questions, about Trayvon’s character, but given that I don’t think anybody should be killed for character alone, I didn’t bring it up, I tried to focus on his ACTIONS.
If Zimmerman was waving his gun around, as you say, how did he get injured? Common JJ, you’re familiar with firearms!
Let’s say for the sake of argument that I’m in Zimmerman’s shoes. If I had already drawn my firearm, that kid wouldn’t have gotten close enough to hurt me unless he took me by surprise, period, fullstop. If we’d exchanged any words as she girlfriend attests, while I had my gun-drawn, if he’d made a single threatening move, he’d be dead, and I wouldn’t have a scratch on me – I’d have put two frangible bullets into his center of mass, and if he was still persisting, I’d have put one into his head. You mean to suggest that Zimmerman injured himself perhaps?
It simply doesn’t add up, and I respect you enough to know that you of all people should get the facts.
If they did exchange words before the shooting, as suggested by the girlfriend, the only way that happened AND resulted in injuries to George Zimmerman was if he had not yet drawn his gun. Therefore, George Zimmerman DID NOT wave his gun around, or even point it at Trayvon as you, and the left suggest.
I truly do not understand why virtually everyone on the right, no matter how rational they normally are, has gone hair-on-fire crazy and is hell-bent on demonizing this kid who was clearly shot dead for the crime of Walking Home From The Store While Black.
Because the physical evidence doesn’t support that theory. We have to believe that the police lied, that Zimmerman injured himself, that Zimmerman somehow “found” Trayvon after hanging up with the police, and that there was no confrontation – that he just shot him. All of these have facts which indicate that these things did not happen.
Zimmerman was basically stalking the kid.
The evidence suggests that he’d given up stalking the kid and was returning to his truck at the time of the confrontation.
WTF was GZ doing following this kid around in the first place? The kid was on his way home. It appears that he wasn’t doing anything weirder than any other teenager does on his way home from the store. If Zimmerman saw him doing something criminal, he would have let that be known by now.
Zimmerman was certainly over-zealous in the execution of his duties, with that, I agree. Calling 911 to report a suspicious person without doing something as simple as rolling down the window and asking what’s up, certainly does seem a bit excessive. And having called 911, foot pursuit is also excessive. These actions however do not a hate-crime make.
I’m not any crazier about identity politics than you are, but I can’t help thinking that if Trayvon had been white, none of this would have happened.
Maybe that’s the most troubling thing of all. Trayvon was serving his what, third school suspension that year having been caught with drug paraphanelia, and previously with some women’s jewlery? You’re right, I don’t like identity politics, but I know that society is failing the African American community. And Trayvon’s tweets don’t exactly reflect well on his character. Something’s wrong in the black community that, in my opinion, has nothing to do with being black, and everything to do with society marginalizing, excoriating, demonizing men, and glorifying the criminal lifestyle – something which seems to have disproportionately affected the black community.
I can’t shake the feeling that the Trayvon Martin incident is symbolic of the dirty little secret of American life, that an unknown number of young males, predominantly black, but really it stretches accross all ethnic lines, are turning to a life of crime, enabled by the glorification of thugs in culture, in movies, television, and music. Trayvon Martin has therefore gotten so much attention because American society is as yet, unwilling to face the reality that fixing these social problems takes a lot of hard work which most people simply aren’t willing to invest.
It takes a lot of time and effort to raise children, boys especially these days, and as long as two incomes are necessary to maintain anything close to a middle-class standard of living, it’s easier to let television and governments raise kids, than it is to give up the baubles that the middle class feels are necessary. As far as frogs go, the Americans have cooked themselves, and there’s really no one else to blame. The worst of it is that we in Canada are going down the very same road.
So the whole uproar about Trayvon is probably only being perpetuated to take attention away from the very real social and economic problems that exist in America and elsewhere so that the voters continue to serve the interests of the political class – in the case, Democrats, but it could just as easily be Republicans.
In other words: Look! Look! Shiny thing! Shiny thing!
Move along! Move along! Nothing to see here.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123
Who the hell files for a trademark on the tragic shooting death of their son? A soul-less opportunitistic parasite that’s who.
That’s all you guys have got now, I guess 🙄
Actually, it’s the tip of the iceberg. I’m trying to focus on things that are self-evident, and decidedly not matters of opinion.
For the complete breakdown, including the unfiltered allegations, there’s this: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/17/update-9-trayvon-martin-shooting-case-latest-developments/
Just yankin yer chain, fhg.
I don’t understand the conservative obsession with deifying Zimmerman and demonizing Martin and his family, especially given that Zimmerman himself belongs to an ethnic group most American right-wingers heartily despise. It’s one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen.
No matter what kind of lowlifes Martin & his family might be or have been, it doesn’t change the fact that on that night an unarmed 17 yr old kid was stalked and shot to death by what appears to be a hyped up paranoid racist. I could be wrong of course, but that’s the way it looks from here.
LOL, that Treehouse guy is really grasping at straws. The doctored pictures! The fight club video! He smoked pot!! Arruughhh!!
The “doctored pictures” especially made me laugh — Martin still looks like a kid in the before pictures. A 17 yr old kid doing routine 17 yr old kid stuff, trying to look tough, etc. Yawn.
That could be turned around however. Is it appropriate to lynch George Zimmerman as the New Black Panthers would have us do? Is it appropriate to demonize Zimmerman as a racist, when the evidence suggests that he’s defended the rights of blacks in the past?
Incidentally, I’m not sold on apparent anecdotal evidence, which may or may not be truthful that Zimmerman stood up against the police for a black homeless man, but it does merit investigation.
I don’t understand the conservative obsession with deifying Zimmerman and demonizing Martin and his family, especially given that Zimmerman himself belongs to an ethnic group most American right-wingers heartily despise. It’s one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen.
For the right, it’s not a race-issue, it’s a second amendment/self-defense issue. The left has made this into a race-issue, which the right considers an attempt to attack second amendment rights through the veil of systematic racism.
That is why they are attempting to show that Zimmerman acted reasonably, and that Trayvon wasn’t the innocent flower that the media has made him into. The right expects that the left is going to use this incident to attack the right to self-defense, and begin rolling-back CCW permits. The democrats have already hinted at this – they’re blaming stand your ground, right? The right supports stand your ground, and are trying to defend it. The left ARE attempting to attack CCW and stand-your-ground type laws, and their using Trayvon Martin’s tragic death to do it. And their hiding their attack behind a counter-attack that racism is at work here.